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If I’m buying brandable domain names for resale then I need to know what’s selling and study the sale prices. That’s why I read the weekly list of the top 20 brandable domain sales by Doron Vermaat (@dv82). It’s also why I track brandable sales daily and post them weekly on Doron’s blog (DN Geek) in the comment section. The more data we all have, the better decisions we can make as domain investors.

Let’s Get Real
It appears that in our industry, about 95% of all domain transactions occur between domainers. For example, out of 788 sales reported last week at Sedo, only 24 were to end users. That’s not so good since end user sales are generally where we see our greatest margins.

End User 101
With this in mind, let’s look at some end user sales from this past summer:
  • AeroMet.com sold for $1,232 on NameJet back in August. I’m thinking flying machines and travel. But no. The domain was purchased by a “smoke school” that offers courses in air emission technology! It was a defensive purchase that now forwards to their existing dot-org website.

  • BrainWipe.com sold for $1,785 on BuyDomains that same month. It’s now a lifestyle information website owned by the Manhattan based company, USA Media Holdings.

  • Bloved.com sold for $2,255 on GoDaddy back in June, and it’s now the place to go for “magical matches.” No, they don’t sell sparklers or magician supplies; they're “in the relationship business.”

  • BrandThink.com sold for $750 on DropCatch as an upgrade for BrandThinkAsia.com. It was bought back in August by an award winning PR and Marketing firm headquartered in Malaysia.

  • BirdInFlight.com sold for $250 on Flippa, also in August. It’s now a lifestyle-news blog.

  • CoinPress.com sold for $1,136 on GoDaddy in July. It was purchased by the Penny Press Machine Company and currently forwards to their web site: PennyBiz.com.

The Takeaways
Looking at the sales above, I see the following trends:
  • Outreach – Some companies buy domains as an upgrade. So it makes sense for me to reach out to firms with similar domains. I should either offer them a private sale or invite them to participate in one of my listings at Sedo, NamePros, Flippa, GoDaddy, etc.

  • Demographics – It seems like domains are being bought mostly by small companies and startups. I’d better not let myself get deluded by the one in a thousand mega sale I hear about at DomainSherpa or on Mike Berkins's blog. I have to remember that those mega sales are the exception, not the rule.

  • Pricing – Many end-user sales are in the $250 to $2,500 range. So I guess I’d better price my domains reasonably and at levels that small businesses can afford. Otherwise, I might price myself right out of the market.

If we want to be successful with brandable domains, then we have to be well versed in the fundamentals: what to buy and at what price, and how to market and price the domains we own.

Good luck. May all your sales be to end users!
 
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Keith, your focus in entirely on positive data. What is the ratio of brandables sold v registered and unsold? Once you know how many brandables are sitting idle, a majority of them, which will never find a buyer, only then one can conclude the success of brandables as a niche worth getting into. This may well be for any niche in domaining and domaining itself. For years, only sales are celebrated not accounting for the damper which is, most of them are bag holders.

You've brought up a great point. It's the elephant in the room in the domaining industry. The big sales are celebrated and widely publicized and new domainers dream of $10,000 sales on hundreds of hand regged domains. That's not reality and I try not to perpetuate that unreality in my blogs. That's why I said 90% of sales are between domainers (at low prices) and even many end user sales are under $2,000. In my opinion there is no easy money in domaining. It's also why I emphasize in every blog that people study the market and figure out what is a potentially sale-able name and what has almost no chance of selling.

Successful domaining takes creativity, knowledge and good money management. And that goes for brandables as well as 4Ls etc.
 
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24 end user sales out of 788 is way off. Names like challengerbrands.com-$10,000, Newsand.com-$6,888, UpMind.com-$6,200, BackBubble.com-$5,000, iiTechnology.com-$5,000, WonderBee.com-$5,000, ChristinaCruz.com-$3,900, KissNow.com-$3,000, Unitedly.com-$3,000 and many others. There is no way all of these names above were bought by domainers. These are clearly end user sales even if there is no active website yet. I think you took his words to literal when he said only 24 sales. I think he meant 24 sales that had a story behind the name that he could write something about. If domainers bought the names above for those prices then they won't be in business for very long that's for sure.

There are a few tiers of brandable domains and each tier has a value. Upper tier names can easily get over $10,000, Second tier names can get around $5,000, Lower tier names which is what most of the brandable sites have can get between $500-$2,500. The only reason I say the brandable sites have lower tier names is because most of these sites are filled with names that were handregged yesterday, last month, or last year or maybe a few years old. The better the name the older it is. I'm not saying that age has anything to do with value but I am saying that the better names have been registered years ago. If it was taken off the market 10 years ago then chances are it's a pretty good name.

Figure out what tier your names fall into and pricing becomes easy. Also, you shouldn't price your domains based on the pricing of these brandable marketplaces. Sometimes crappy names are added to these sites to make the cream rise to the top. If you ask $1,895 for a subpar name and right next to it is a nice name for $2,195 it instantly makes that nice name seem like a bargain. Don't get fooled into the thought that you may have seen a name very similar to yours priced at $2,000 and think that yours should be worth $2,000 also. That $2,000 name may not be worth reg fee.

Personally, I have found the sweet spot in most sales is around $1,295-$1,495. Everybody who really wants a name can come up with 1500 bucks. Think about it, 1500 bucks buys you a beat up Honda Civic or an old ass greasy dirtbike. 1500 bucks doesn't get you much, so it's not a lot of money to ask for a decent name. Once you start asking over $2,000 people start looking at money differently, no matter who it is or how much money they have.
 
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24 end user sales out of 788 is way off. Names like challengerbrands.com-$10,000, Newsand.com-$6,888, UpMind.com-$6,200, BackBubble.com-$5,000, iiTechnology.com-$5,000, WonderBee.com-$5,000, ChristinaCruz.com-$3,900, KissNow.com-$3,000, Unitedly.com-$3,000 and many others. There is no way all of these names above were bought by domainers. These are clearly end user sales even if there is no active website yet. I think you took his words to literal when he said only 24 sales. I think he meant 24 sales that had a story behind the name that he could write something about. If domainers bought the names above for those prices then they won't be in business for very long that's for sure.

There are a few tiers of brandable domains and each tier has a value. Upper tier names can easily get over $10,000, Second tier names can get around $5,000, Lower tier names which is what most of the brandable sites have can get between $500-$2,500. The only reason I say the brandable sites have lower tier names is because most of these sites are filled with names that were handregged yesterday, last month, or last year or maybe a few years old. The better the name the older it is. I'm not saying that age has anything to do with value but I am saying that the better names have been registered years ago. If it was taken off the market 10 years ago then chances are it's a pretty good name.

Figure out what tier your names fall into and pricing becomes easy. Also, you shouldn't price your domains based on the pricing of these brandable marketplaces. Sometimes crappy names are added to these sites to make the cream rise to the top. If you ask $1,895 for a subpar name and right next to it is a nice name for $2,195 it instantly makes that nice name seem like a bargain. Don't get fooled into the thought that you may have seen a name very similar to yours priced at $2,000 and think that yours should be worth $2,000 also. That $2,000 name may not be worth reg fee.

Personally, I have found the sweet spot in most sales is around $1,295-$1,495. Everybody who really wants a name can come up with 1500 bucks. Think about it, 1500 bucks buys you a beat up Honda Civic or an old ass greasy dirtbike. 1500 bucks doesn't get you much, so it's not a lot of money to ask for a decent name. Once you start asking over $2,000 people start looking at money differently, no matter who it is or how much money they have.

Excellent points Hook. As you say there is no hard data on how many sales go to end users. Furthermore, each marketplace is different and not all marketplaces report sales. On top of that, many end user deals are done privately. With that in mind what would be your educated guess as to the percentage of brandable domain sales between domainers vs end users?
 
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Excellent points Hook. As you say there is no hard data on how many sales go to end users. Furthermore, each marketplace is different and not all marketplaces report sales. On top of that, many end user deals are done privately. With that in mind what would be your educated guess as to the percentage of brandable domain sales between domainers vs end users?
I think the only domainer to domainer market for brandables is BrandBucket approved names. You see those sell all the time from domainer to domainer. I don't think many domain investors play in the brandable space because there is no metrics really to support their purchases. They have to go on feel rather then stats. I would have to say the vast majority of names that do get sold are to end users.
 
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Some good insights. I've a question, is it OK to send enduser emails for a domain listed at BB? Also, I think that your brandable domain list at DNGeek should be included in the original post.
 
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Some good insights. I've a question, is it OK to send enduser emails for a domain listed at BB? Also, I think that your brandable domain list at DNGeek should be included in the original post.

Hi, Thanks for reading. As long as your emails are bringing potential customers to their site (even if its for a specific name you own) I don't think BB would mind but you'd have to ask them to be sure. Maybe @michaeljkrell could answer that for you. Have a happy Thanksgiving!

PS I agree about the list of brandable sales at DN Geek. I considered including it here but it would have made my blog very loooong unless I put them in a chart which is very time consuming. Maybe next time.
 
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This week's curated list of brandable domain sales as reported by Namebio:
Aproov.com $139
BodyGame.com $565
BrightCrowd.com $178
CrowdMe.com $1180
CycleWay.com $571
DietLab.com $265
eMaxx.com $1009
Favian.com $710
Formio.com $1719
Freddi.com $691
GapCo.com $521
GlobalShark.com $109
Grandeo.com $102
GrayTube.com $345
HandyBits.com $630
HappyBag.com $530
HatGallery.com $190
HealthyTown.com $109
HouseOfTalent.com $335
InnerScience.com $951
InRoute.com $321
Inventron.com $250
Juvalia.com $264
Lengthy.com $2100
LiveMinds.com $357
LocalFocal.com $247
McClair.com $303
Miramon.com $341
MotoRock.com $429
Nelva.com $314
RollnGo.com $511
SixStep.com $182
SuccessTube.com $388
TechDance.com $105
TechMobility.com $252
TechRoad.com $501
TelPass.com $330
Torano.com $701
UrbanBoutique.com $284
Vartec.com $568
VisualMatters.com $193
WalMate.com $149
Wilita.com $264
Zenoma.com $169
 
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i think that @hookbox state a very important thing, brandable must be devided in tier. A brandable like igloo.com can't be sold in a 500/2500$ range, neither to another domainer.

I've also a question about brandables and as we are talking about this kind of names i would like to hear several opinions because i think it can help us to better set a price.
In one of the last domainsherpa show, they talk about brand rarity. To mention the same example they say that a name like HiddenTalent is more rare than MarketingBoost so it has an higher price.
I do not understand why...
 
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