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We really need to start and keep a thread on each of the big domain auction sites since some are good and some are bad.

Take a peak at the Moniker Auction contract they want you to sign. I own importationdotcom and wanted to list it with them but after reading the contract I was blown away.

EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT

THIS EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT (this “Agreement”) is entered into this ____ day of _____****____, 2008, by and between __________________ (hereinafter referred to as “Seller”), and DomainSystems, Inc, a Florida corporation (hereinafter referred to as “Buyer/Seller Agent”) (Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent each a “Party” and may be collectively referred to as the “Parties”).

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Seller to grant to Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Internet domain names, assets or web sites listed on one or more of the ADDENDA hereto (the “Name or Names”), in accordance with the terms and conditions contained herein; and,

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Buyer/Seller Agent to use its commercially reasonable efforts to secure purchasers to purchase the Names in accordance with the terms and conditions contained herein; and,

NOW THEREFORE, the Parties do hereby agree as follows:

TERM OF THE AGREEMENT: Seller grants Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Name(s) for one hundred and twenty (120) calendar days from the date of submitting/declaring one of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA to this Agreement or sixty (60) days from the conclusion of any auction or private sale taking place after the submission/declaring of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA, whichever occurs later (the “Exclusive Sale Period”). The ADDENDA to this Agreement shall consist of, but are not limited to, those items submitted by Seller for selection and acceptance by Buyer/Seller Agent to secure purchasers. This exclusive right and authority to sell period will automatically renew at the end of each term unless Buyer/Seller Agent is notified by Seller in writing within 15 days of expiration that Seller is terminating the Agreement.

Once a Name is submitted by Seller, whether by ADDENDA or otherwise, the Name becomes subject to this Agreement, whether or not Seller is notified that the Name has been selected for the auction or private sale. If, however, Buyer/Seller Agent notifies Seller that a Name has not been selected for auction or private sale, Seller will be permitted to withdraw the Name from submission.

EXCLUSIVITY: During the Exclusive Sale Period, Seller agrees not to use, appoint or engage any person or entity other than Buyer/Seller Agent to act as its agent, sales representative or in a similar capacity with respect to the Names during the term of this Agreement. In the event that Seller sells or markets the Names directly to a buyer or through any person or entity other than Buyer/Seller Agent during the term of this Agreement, Buyer/Seller Agent shall be entitled to receive the Fee (as hereinafter defined).

NON CIRCUMVENTION: In addition to any other rights Buyer/Seller Agent may have, during the term of this Agreement and for a period of two (2) years following the termination of this Agreement, Seller shall not, directly or indirectly:

a.Make contact or attempt to make contact, solicit or attempt to solicit, negotiate
or attempt to negotiate, enter into or attempt to enter into any agreement, and/or transact or attempt to transact any business with any potential purchaser (or such purchaser’s attorneys, agents (other than Moniker), representatives, employees, officers, directors, principals, owners, shareholders, members, managers or any person or entity that is connected, directly or indirectly, with such purchaser) procured by or introduced to Seller by Moniker, except to the extent such contact is through, or with the prior written consent of, Moniker; and

b.Commit any other acts, directly or indirectly, which would affect in any way
whatsoever, circumvent the restrictive covenant stated in subparagraph 3(a) immediately above.

c.In the event that Seller violates the provisions of Section 3(a) or (b), Buyer/Seller
Agent shall be entitled to receive the Fee (as hereinafter defined).

BUYER/SELLER AGENT COMPENSATION:

a. Seller agrees to pay Buyer/Seller Agent a fee for each or any Name sold (the “Fee”) equal to fifteen percent (15%) of the Total Sales Price of such Name that meets or exceeds the agreed upon reserve. Buyer/Seller Agent shall not be authorized to consummate the sale of a Name on Seller’s behalf unless and until Seller has given its written consent to the proposed Total Sales Price for such Name if the reserve price has not been met. Seller understands that Buyer/Seller Agent actually purchases the domain from Seller and then resells the domain/s to the buyer through the sales and auction process.

b. Seller agrees that Buyer/Seller Agent may purchase a Name from Seller during the Exclusive Sale Period in an effort to consummate a sale with another party (For creative financing, special term sales, etc). DomainSystems, Inc./ Moniker.com does become the owner of each domain name in the sales and change of ownership process and through escrow. The Buyer/Seller Agent will not be a bidder at an auction.

c. For purposes hereof, “Total Sales Price” means the sum of the cash and value of any other consideration that a buyer has agreed to pay for the Name, excluding any escrow or finders fee paid by Buyer (as hereinafter defined).

d. The Fee with respect to each sale of a Name consummated during the Exclusive Sale Period shall be paid by Seller to Buyer/Seller Agent (by wire transfer from funds in escrow account).

e. The Buyer/Seller Agent shall have no obligation to deliver any transfer documents until Buyer/Seller Agent has received payment of the required Fee.

5. ERRONEOUS SUBMISSIONS BY SELLER: If Seller erroneously submits a domain to Buyer/Seller hereunder which Seller does not, in fact, own or otherwise have the right to sell, and such error is not discovered prior to the sale of the name by Buyer/Seller Agent, Seller shall nonetheless be responsible to Buyer/Seller Agent for payment of the commission hereunder.

6.REIMBURSEMENT OF COSTS: Buyer/Seller Agent shall bear all costs and expenses incurred by it in connection with the performance of its duties hereunder; provided, however, that Seller shall reimburse Buyer/Seller Agent for any reasonable travel expenses that are expressly pre-approved by Seller in writing and thereafter incurred by Buyer/Seller Agent to attend meetings at Seller’s request.
BUYER/SELLER AGENT RESPONSIBILITIES: Buyer/Seller Agent agrees to use commercially reasonable efforts to secure buyers for the Names during the Exclusive Sale Period. During the Exclusive Sale Period, Buyer/Seller Agent may conduct an auction or private/public sale of the Name via the Internet or other reasonable means. Buyer/Seller Agent agrees that its responsibilities shall be performed in a diligent, competent and professional manner. Seller acknowledges and agrees that this Agreement does not require Buyer/Seller Agent to render services solely to Seller or to devote Buyer/Seller Agent’s entire business time and effort to the performance of its duties hereunder. During the Exclusive Sale Period, Buyer/Seller Agent shall have the right to act as a sales representative, distributor and/or marketing agent for persons and entities other than Seller, including, without limitation, persons and entities who are or who may be in competition with Seller.

SELLER RESPONSIBILITIES: Seller agrees to do the following during the Exclusive Sales Period:

a. Refer all previous, pending and future inquires from brokers, Buyer/Seller Agents, purchasers or others interested in the Names to Buyer/Seller Agent;

b. Provide Buyer/Seller Agent with complete and accurate information regarding Seller and the Names promptly upon request by Buyer/Seller Agent;

c. Assist Buyer/Seller Agent in the marketing and sale of the Name as may reasonably be requested (such assistance shall be at Buyer/Seller Agent’s sole expense unless Seller provides express written authorization in advance); and

d. Provide to Buyer/Seller Agent such other information and data as Buyer/Seller Agent may reasonably request from time to time in order to permit Buyer/Seller Agent to perform its duties hereunder.

REPRESENTATIONS OF SELLER: Seller represents and warrants to Buyer/Seller Agent that it (i) has the authority to enter into this Agreement and (ii) possesses, and has the authority to transfer, good, valid and marketable title to the Name(s). Seller further warrants and represents to Buyer/Seller Agent that: 1) Seller is the sole owner of all right, title and interest in the Name(s); 2) the Name(s) are/is being transferred to Buyer/Seller Agent free of any liens, encumbrances, restrictions, licenses, or security interests; 3) Seller properly purchased and registered the Name(s) without committing fraud or misrepresentation; 4) the Name(s) do/does not infringe the rights of any third party; and 5) the Name(s) have/has not been, and are/is not currently the subject of any litigation, claims, arbitration or other legal proceeding, either pending, contemplated or threatened, nor has Seller received any notice of any such pending items.

ESCROW: Except as otherwise agreed to in a writing signed by both parties, the contemplated purchase and sale of any Name(s) hereunder shall take place pursuant to Buyer/Seller Agent’s escrow procedures set forth in the terms and conditions contained on Buyer/Seller Agent’s website (which are incorporated herein), as amended from time to time.

INDEMNIFICATION: Seller hereby agrees to indemnify and hold harmless Buyer/Seller Agent, its officers, directors, shareholders, employees and agents, from and against any and all loss, damage, liability or expense (including reasonable attorneys’ fees and costs), to which they may be put or which they may incur by reason of, or in connection with, any misrepresentation made by Seller, any breach of any of warranties by Seller, Seller’s failure to fulfill any of its covenants or obligations under this Agreement, or any trademark, copyright or patent infringement arising out of or relating to the Name(s), or in any way arising out of Buyer/Seller Agent’s being a party to, or Buyer/Seller Agent’s performance of, this Agreement, other than through Buyer/Seller Agent’s gross negligence or willful misconduct. The foregoing obligation shall exist only if Buyer/Seller Agent (i) promptly notifies Seller of such claim, (ii) provides Seller with reasonable information, assistance and cooperation in defending the lawsuit or proceeding and (iii) gives Seller exclusive control and sole authority over the defense and settlement of such claim.

JOINT MATERIALS: The Parties agree that all marketing materials developed in connection with the services performed by Buyer/Seller Agent hereunder shall be the joint property of Buyer/Seller Agent and Seller and neither party shall use such materials after the Exclusive Sale Period without the prior written approval of the other Party.

RELATIONSHIP OF THE PARTIES; REPORTING OF INCOME. Buyer/Seller Agent is retained hereunder as an independent contractor and nothing herein contained shall create an employer/employee, principal/agent, partnership or joint venture relationship between the Parties. The Parties agree that Buyer/Seller Agent shall include all compensation it receives hereunder in its own books or account for inclusion on its own applicable tax return, that Buyer/Seller Agent shall be responsible for payment of all income and employment taxes thereon, and that such compensation will not be subject to any offset, employee payroll taxes or other deduction.

CONFIDENTIALITY: Each Party agrees that it shall not disclose the terms of this Agreement to any person or persons except as required by applicable law or compelled by a court of competent jurisdiction. Notwithstanding the foregoing, this Section 12 shall not apply to disclosures made by a Party to its agents, employees and advisors to whom such disclosure is necessary in order to perform pursuant to this Agreement.

ATTORNEY’S FEES AND COSTS: In connection with any litigation arising out of this Agreement, the prevailing party, whether Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent, shall be entitled to recover all costs incurred, including reasonable attorney’s fees, for services rendered in connection with such litigation, including appellate proceedings and post-judgment proceedings.
DISCLOSURES: Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent specifically acknowledge and understand that if either Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent knows of facts materially affecting the value of the Name(s), whether said facts are readily observable or not, Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent, as applicable, shall disclose these facts to the other Party.

NOTICES: Any notice required or permitted to be delivered pursuant to this Agreement must be delivered by facsimile, U.S. Mail, certified or registered mail, or overnight courier, and addressed as set forth below the signature line of the Party to whom notice is being given, or to such other address as the Parties may from time to time designate by notice in writing to the other Party.

GOVERNING LAW: This Agreement shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the State of Florida, without respect to its conflict of laws provisions. Venue for any litigation arising under, or in connection with, this Agreement shall be in Miami-Dade County, Florida.

ENTIRE AGREEMENT: This Agreement constitutes and represents the entire agreement between the Parties and supersedes any prior understandings or agreements, written or oral, between the Parties respecting the subject matter of this Agreement. This Agreement may be amended, supplemented or modified only upon an agreement in writing executed by all of the Parties. This Agreement shall inure to the benefit of and shall be binding upon the Parties and their respective successors and assigns. If any provision of this Agreement shall be determined to be invalid, void or illegal, such provision shall be construed and amended in a manner which would permit its enforcement, but in no event shall such provision affect, impair or invalidate any other provision in this Agreement.
Headings For Convenience: As used in this Agreement, captions and paragraph headings are provided solely for convenience and shall not be deemed to restrict, limit or interpret the meaning of the text.

COUNTERPARTS: This Agreement may be executed in one or more counterparts, each of which shall be deemed an original, but all of which together shall constitute one and the same instrument. Photocopies, signatures reproduced by mechanical, digital or other means, and/or facsimile transmittal signature pages may be used instead of originals.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned have set their hands and seals on the date first written above.

SELLER:
By:
Name:
Title:
Moniker Account #:
Email:
Phone:
Fax:

Address:
BUYER/SELLER AGENT:
DOMAINSYSTEMS, INC.
By:
Name: Monte Cahn
Title President/CEO
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 954-984-8445
Fax: 954-969-9155
Address: 20 SW 27th Ave.
Pompano Beach, FL 33069


ADDENDUM TO EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT
Declaration / DESCRIPTION Of Assets (if applicable)

My Moniker.com Account Number is:____________


THIS IS AN ADDENDUM TO EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT (this “Agreement”) is entered into this ___ day of _______, 2008, by and between _____________________ (hereinafter referred to as “Seller”), and DomainSystems, Inc, a Florida corporation (hereinafter referred to as “Buyer/Seller Agent”) (Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent each a “Party” and may be collectively referred to as the “Parties”) whereas, it is the desire of Seller to grant to Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Internet domain names, assets, or web sites listed hereto of which additional items may be added. This ADDENDUM represents the declaration and description of assets as described hereto.

1.Assets – Tangible:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________
1. Assets – Intangible:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

2. The liens and or encumbrances and or options to purchase Assets described above consist of:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

3. Please list all of the owners of the Assets described above?

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

4. Documents of title ownership / leans, such as a UCC filing, are filed in the facility listed below on the date listed below:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

5. If patents are listed above, can you provide due diligence they do not infringe on any other parties rights?

Yes - ________________________________________________________________________
No - ________________________________________________________________________

6. Please describe any current or pending litigation, decrees, judicial proceedings or judgments of courts related to the entities, corporate or personal, having interest in the Assets listed above:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
7.How many personnel, doing what, are required to support the Assets listed above on a weekly basis:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

8.If / when the Assets above are sold, how would you foresee the transition process and what if any of the above personnel would contribute to the transition:

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________


9.The monthly gross revenue produced by the Assets above consist of an average of

$_______________ .

10.The monthly net revenue produced by the Assets above consist of an average of

$_______________ .

11.The revenue amounts provided above are verified specifically by *********************_____________________________________________________________, yet it should be

known that: ___________________________________________________________________.

12.It is also important to know that: ________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

Additional descriptions of items above and supporting documents may be added to this Addendum and become one and part of the whole.

This document is completed by one of the owners representing all owners of the Assets described above and the information provided is true and accurate to the best of my ability.

As owner this is submitted by:

Signed: __________________________________
Title: ____________________________________
Printed Name: ____________________________
Company: _______________________________
Date: ___________________________________
 
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Charley said:
This is the problem. I never read them, just agree, sign and send the names.
In most if not all Cases Lawyers are the ones writing up these contracts, if you take a quick glance at a contract and feel you need to hire a lawyer just to understand your rights in that particular contract then I would hold off doing any business with that particular company.

Unfortunately, most if not all Contracts Read this way.

Lawyer to Lawyer.

Long and Drawn out.
 
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PowerUp said:
I read somewhere that if the Agreement is one sided, or unfair to one party, then the court would consider the Agreement to be void/unenforceable. Can someone confirm this?

Moniker has been using this same contract for many years and haven't any problems. I think nobody is going to take them to court.
 
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hawkeye said:
They really didn't/don't expect people to actually read that contract. They just want domainers to be excited to have their names be accepted for auction, and not read what they are signing.
I did actually, thats why have referred it to a lawyer. Don't have enough legal experience otherwise.

I do think the 60 days after auction is a good clause to prevent dealing on the side. Unless i missed something. Also, you can always terminate the agreement in writing, I assume fax/regd. post would work for that.

Though this is probably why they're asking people to fax/mail in the agreement instead of an online approval as usual.
 
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mwzd said:
I do think the 60 days after auction is a good clause to prevent dealing on the side.

You mean if the domain name doesn't result in a sale.
 
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zoki said:
I gave that contract to lawyer and he translated and checked it for me,
its not perfect but acceptable.
(but i'm not sure is it still same, mine was year ago)

I dont see why this one is in red:



So if there are any expenses they are going to ask you ! Whats bad about that ?



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Presumably......they are making a da*n good commission that has expenses built in to it. Thats why they get a commission.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would be really nice if I could say to my home seller "you have to pay me 6% commission plus all costs that I incur in selling you house." What a fairy tale that would make.
 
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I must admit I was impressed by the length of the contract in a bad way. But You have every right to cancel the contract as long as you do so in writing by a certain time. I dont see what the problem is.

I want to get my names in front of the folks who actually have a budget and can pay what my names are worth. If it takes Moniker then thats what it takes, no one is forcing you to sell through tem.
 
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It's why I've never used them
 
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Moniker is just plain scary to me. Have you ever talked with them on the phone? That's a real eye opener.

I just can't see using their services.

My 2 cents:)
 
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acc said:
That is NOT a domainer-friendly clause.
I didn't see any of it that is domainer-friendly.

As a Realtor, I don't contractually tie my Sellers up nearly that tight when I sell the roofs over their heads!

To protect myself against a Seller circumventing a sale, I incorporate a clause in my listing contracts that entitles me to a commission should the property be sold within 90 days after expiration to person/s who viewed the property during my listing period. If I want this clause to be put into effect, I must provide this list of prospects to my Seller via Certified Mail within 5 days after expiration.

In my opinion, entitling a broker to compensation 2 years after a contract expires is absolutely ridiculous.
 
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I find that contract outrageous! I planned on listing names with them...
 
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There is something inherently wrong when a contract is so one sided. Even when an attorney is representing the interest of a certain company he or she is still an officer of the court and as such has taken an oath to abide by and uphold the spirit of the law by not participating in or facilitating the means for anyone to engage in unjust, unethical, or predatory practices and that also includes their own client. When drawing up contracts attorneys have an obligation to all sides to make sure that everything is on the level and that no one is being intentionally harmed or taken advantage of whether it is the company that they are representing or you as a customer. Think of how many services we use in our everyday life that requires us to sign something, whether it is renting a car or leasing an apartment or making a purchase, in most cases we depend on the contract to be fair and just to all sides and not to intentionally cheat us out of something.
 
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Now I regret putting names in my application that I was hoping to get in, rather than expected. I will be a lot more detailed for the next auction, that's for sure.
 
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Monte should be ashamed of himself,
respect rapidly decreasing
 
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It's as simple as...
Don't use them if you don't like them.
All these fuss won't change anything.
It's just waste of time, imho.
 
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copper said:
All these fuss won't change anything.
It's just waste of time, imho.

Thats very defeatist of you, if no one ever says anything unethical practices such as this will continue in the industry.
Be a sheep if you want, I'm not.
 
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I don't personally care if someone is the best thing since sliced bread... This contract is written to screw domainers. We work hard for our money --I'm not saying Moniker doesn't, but I always thought contracts were meant to prevent circumvention (example provided below by Namecharger), not to screw hard working people over...

Moniker has a new owner. This is not a good way to earn our respect. The company might have the same name but this is not the Moniker I remember.

NameCharger said:
I didn't see any of it that is domainer-friendly.

As a Realtor, I don't contractually tie my Sellers up nearly that tight when I sell the roofs over their heads!

To protect myself against a Seller circumventing a sale, I incorporate a clause in my listing contracts that entitles me to a commission should the property be sold within 90 days after expiration to person/s who viewed the property during my listing period. If I want this clause to be put into effect, I must provide this list of prospects to my Seller via Certified Mail within 5 days after expiration.

In my opinion, entitling a broker to compensation 2 years after a contract expires is absolutely ridiculous.
 
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I think you should keep the comments to yourself.

He is a successful entrepreneur and I support him.

Forums are by definition a place specifically for comments of all persuasions. Asking someone to withhold comments because you may not agree with them, and while you express yours, is a bit narrow.

Many successful entrepreneurs are good people, many aren't so good. Success doesn't necessarily define character.

The real issue seems to be some auction contract terms deemed unfair or unreasonable, mainly because they bear little relation to the auction.

Is it fair of Moniker or any domain auction sponsor to retain two months (let alone, two years) of financial control over domains that didn't sell in the auction? In a word, no. Moniker is being paid a commission for the service of listing and selling 3rd party domains in their auctions. Should the domains not sell, that service is complete. To hold the domains hostage for two more months of financial exclusivity is not only unfair, it's unjust. I'm willing to pay a percentage of my sales profits for Moniker's auction expertise, but I'm not willing to give up two months (or more) of my rights as a domain owner simply because they want an extended period of time to cash in on my unsuccessfully auctioned domains.

Why not a five day pre-auction and a 10 day period post-auction to protect against private sales to circumvent paying moniker's fees...auction sales should be wrapped up by then, anyway...but more than that is just trying to get a free bite of the pie.
 
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Their predatory and unethical practices are not limited to this contract alone, once they get you hooked they won’t even answer your emails. They usually ignore emails when you inquire to see if any of your names have been selected to be included in the auction, but they still want to keep control over all your domains indefinitely even though they keep you in the dark about their processes. This contract in its present form can be easily challenged in any competent court of law, and unless it is changed immediately it will create more and more unhappy domainers.
 
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Quite honestly, with the 2 year "ransom" they have in place it would almost be in their best interest not to sell the domain. Chances are good that many of the domains will be worth more in a couple years, making them even more cash (at no expense to them) if someone decides to sell after say, 18 months.

oldtimer said:
Their predatory and unethical practices are not limited to this contract alone, once they get you hooked they won’t even answer your emails. They usually ignore emails when you inquire to see if any of your names have been selected to be included in the auction, but they still want to keep control over all your domains indefinitely even though they keep you in the dark about their processes. This contract in its present form can be easily challenged in any competent court of law, and unless it is changed immediately it will create more and more unhappy domainers.
 
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Bull

copper said:
It's as simple as...
Don't use them if you don't like them.
All these fuss won't change anything.
It's just waste of time, imho.

If you dont think that they are reconsidering their contract after reading this trhead then you are very nieve.
 
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I wonder if the big wealthy domain owners have to sign the same contract to list their names for sale.....if they don't then Moniker would be guilty of discrimination imho.
 
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Reece said:
Quite honestly, with the 2 year "ransom" they have in place it would almost be in their best interest not to sell the domain. Chances are good that many of the domains will be worth more in a couple years, making them even more cash (at no expense to them) if someone decides to sell after say, 18 months.
Well, to be honest, it's only 2 years of not selling to buyers that they hooked you up with in the first place. You can sell it to anyone else you want...
 
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VirtualT said:
Thats very defeatist of you, if no one ever says anything unethical practices such as this will continue in the industry.
I agree their TOS is beyond ridiculous, but...
Why stop with Moniker?
How about Google?
Did you read Adsense TOS?
They can do what ever they want with your acct.
Don't tell me no one is complaining about Adsense TOS.
So, did complaining changed anything?
Be a sheep if you want, I'm not.
Be a sheep? That's first.

I graduated from "School of Hard Knocks" with "survival" degree ;)
So, please don't call me sheep just because I see things differently.

If it's just Monte, it may work.
I can say from my own experience that Monte
usually listen to other domainers.

It's not same any more.
It's about corporate lawyer.
It's about oversee.net

I would love to see some terms change such as removing
2 years thing and automatic extension if you don't cancel.

But, they won't change a thing unless they see big auction
revenue drop. I doubt it will happen.

I rather put my domains on other auctions than trying to
change terms on moniker auction.

I would love to be proven wrong by Moniker changing terms :)

This thread accomplished one thing, though.
Let domainers realize what they are signing up for.

Perhaps that's more than enough befenit from this thread since
many of us are guilty of signing things without understanding
what it is especially when it's written in smaller fonts.
pixelpadre said:
If you dont think that they are reconsidering their contract after reading this trhead then you are very nieve.
As I said, I would love to be proven wrong by Moniker changing terms :)
 
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htmlindex said:
This agreement is a very one sided agreement favouring Moniker IMO
Service provider agreements are generally one-sided. Good for the end user if,
say, yours is generally sided towards them, I guess.

PowerUp said:
I read somewhere that if the Agreement is one sided, or unfair to one party, then the court would consider the Agreement to be void/unenforceable. Can someone confirm this?
It's case to case. Some are upheld while others aren't, but it's your burden to
demonstrate that if you're the one forcing the issue.

domainacrobat said:
no one is forcing you to sell through tem.
Nailed it.

The contract may be troubling for some of you. But don't forget you do have
other choices out there, albeit they may not be as "good" as Moniker.
 
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Rick Latona said:
I don't list names on my site. I sell them via my newsletter. You have to sign up for it.


?? are you selling domains for other owners as well ??
is that what he's talking about ??
or do you only market ones you personally own ??

~DomainBELL (Patricia)
 
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