analysis World War III

[oldtimer]

I believe that President Biden was right when he said that Russia is going to Invade Ukraine.

Any intelligent person is going to come to the same conclusion knowing that Russia has already decided to pay any price imposed on it by the West through sanctions.

Short of full military confrontation by the West there is nothing that can make Russia to change its mind as they see this as a golden opportunity to resurrect the once powerful superpower that was equal to the USA.

But Russia’s ambitions are not going to stop with taking over Ukraine since it already has made plans to increase its sphere of influence to Asia, Middle East, and South America and perhaps the whole World knowing that the West is most likely not going to do anything beyond just imposing sanctions which ultimately will hurt the West itself by effecting the Global economy in an adverse way the longer that they go on.

I personally don’t like any of the old ideologies, philosophies, and doctrines of Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Religious Fundamentalism and all the other “ism” that are derived from the bad human characteristics of Greed, Lust, Hate, Cruelty, Jealousy, Prejudice, and lack of Empathy and that have been infringing on our rights in one way or another throughout the history because they can only exist through supporting inequality, oppression, suppression, torture, killing, and War.

When it comes to saving the World the last thing that I want to see is the further expansion of these old systems that have all already proven to be a failure in dealing with the existential problems that are currently facing Humanity and the Environment.

We don’t want all these political, Religious, and Racial parties and groups to resurrect their past, we want something new that can propel the World into the next Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion and not through Force and Violence.

By “We” I mean all the Intelligent, Righteous, and Peace loving people of the World.

IMO

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[frank-germany]

#IKEA, like many other foreign companies, is closing all stores in #Russland due to the #Ukrainekrieg|.

I think the Russians are beginning to understand that Tsar #Putin is inflicting deep, perhaps lasting, damage on the country.



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[frank-germany]

don't invade a peaceful country

Russian major general Andrei Sukhovetskiy has been killed in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499482406507663362

 

[branding]

This thread was doing okay until you got here,

You are picking up where you left with your nasty attitude, tasteless and insulting mems and harsh and demeaning comments towards other members.

You really don't get why he's posting everything he is do you?

Anyone German will understand exactly why he's standing up.

And no, this thread is not going ok at all. Disgusting stuff being posted. At this very moment I'm appalled by the NP decisions to allow the direct/indirect spread of misinformation to continue.

 

[frank-germany]

You really don't get why he's posting everything he is do you?

Anyone German will understand exactly why he's standing up.

And no, this thread is not going ok at all. Disgusting stuff being posted. At this very moment I'm appalled by the NP decisions to allow the direct/indirect spread of misinformation to continue.

I really love the IGNORE feature

 

[branding]

I really love the IGNORE feature

Yes, but I'm hoping they will come to understand it's not just the EU that's at war. It's the world. This won't stop here. That doesn't mean we should all go to war but it does mean we should all undeniably condemn all assault coming from Russia and do what we can to fight it.

The sanest posts in this thread coming from a German should give them an idea about what's really going on.

History is repeating itself I'm afraid. And NP is still allowing content to remain online that's debunked by the likes of Bellingcat.

 

[oldtimer]

It seems to me that everyone is fanning the flames to serve their own agendas and interests.

In my opinion all sides are at fault here in one way or another,

Sure Russia's invasion of Ukraine which is and is going to cause so much deaths and carnage is Wrong,

But we also have to consider the history of events that have taken place in that region specially after the 2014 agreements which has contributed to the current conflict and thus in my opinion the only way to end this conflict is for all sides to make some compromises and come to some kind of new mutually acceptable arrangements.

In my opinion criticizing Russia while giving a pass to NATO for missing out on the opportunity to deescalate this situation by taking Russia's security concerns more seriously at the beginning is going to make this situation worse.

As I have mentioned before we have to consider the fact that NATO while sitting on the sidelines might be goating Ukraine into a confrontation with a much larger force in order to diminish Russia as a World power with no regards as to what is going to happen to the Ukrainian people themselves.

In order to be impartial we have to accept the fact that currently there are no good guys in the World as the first priority for everyone is to advance their own interests within the status quo rather than coming up with any meaningful changes that are going to free Humanity from bondage.

Hence the fact that the World is yet in another War.

And I hold everyone equally responsible for that.

Nevertheless everyone needs to do all they can through diplomacy to end this carnage and not to make it worse than what it already has become.

IMO

 

[Sutruk]

Terrific news, before russians were associating americans with coca-cola, jeans and hollywood movies, now with weapons and instructors helping ukraine soldiers to kill russian ones(and vice versa since more weapons on battlefields lead to further excalation) in the conflict between 2 neighboring countries...

And with who will the rest of the world associate a country with a crazy dictator invading and bombing a peaceful country?
The last dictator doing the same, invading countries, mass bombing and sieging cities and killing innocent civilians was HITLER.

 

[frank-germany]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/l...-underground-shelter-11646150110?link=sfmw_tw

"There have been attacks on residential areas in different cities around Ukraine. In Kyiv, several apartment buildings were damaged. In Chernihiv and Sumy oblasts — in the north of the country — kindergartens were attacked.

Kharkiv in the east was so heavily shelled over the past few days that it is now difficult to count the casualties. That is despite the claim from the Russian authorities that they “came here to protect the people.” We now spend time hiding in bomb shelters to avoid their “protection.” "



"This is what Putin doesn’t get: We are not Russians. We can stand for ourselves. And we have our own history. Over the last 30 years of this history, there have been six different presidents all democratically elected in Ukraine. Meanwhile, Putin has been ruling in Russia for 20 years.

We have a track record of successful campaigns for our rights. We have a strong civil society that is pushing reforms — from healthcare to anti-corruption. Of course, it’s not a bed of roses: We still have weak government institutions, a corrupt judicial system, and so on. But we are evolving. And our civil society is strong. "

 

[frank-germany]

"Russian stock exchange analyst Alexander Butmanov is toasting to what he is viewing as the death of the Russian stock market.

Butmanov, founder of financial technology company DTI Algorithmic, appeared on a markets-centered television show only to pull out a soda and toast to the end of the market as he knows it, according to local media.

“Rest in peace, dear comrade,” he said, according to a translation."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499300107837128704

 

[frank-germany]

You really don't get why he's posting everything he is do you?

Anyone German will understand exactly why he's standing up.

And no, this thread is not going ok at all. Disgusting stuff being posted. At this very moment I'm appalled by the NP decisions to allow the direct/indirect spread of misinformation to continue.

dear @oldimer
sorry for ignoring you for years by now

please remember how important "free speech" is to you

 

[branding]

It seems to me that everyone is fanning the flames to serve their own agendas and interests.

Wrong. Unless you mean the agenda of Ukraine people not getting killed by the Russians.

Nobody is innocent, I agree. That doesn't mean we don't have the obligation to humanity to stand up right here right now and do what we can.

 

[frank-germany]

Wrong. Unless you mean the agenda of Ukraine people not getting killed by the Russians.

Nobody is innocent, I agree. That doesn't mean we don't have the obligation to humanity to stand up right here right now and do what we can.

just another "fake" Ukrainian "propaganda" Video:

-->from today<--

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499426529956315138

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499414309645991957

 

[oldtimer]

Nobody is innocent, I agree. That doesn't mean we don't have the obligation to humanity to stand up right here right now and do what we can.

I agree, but it's the long term interest of Ukrainian people for NATO to come to some agreements with Russia and meet some of their security concerns in a fair and balanced way rather than let Ukraine get completely destroyed.

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

dear @oldimer
sorry for ignoring you for years by now

please remember how important "free speech" is to you

I like to see you use your brain and provide some analysis of this conflict instead of overwhelming this thread by posting what other people are saying in the news which I am sure that everyone can see for themselves through all the media channels.

IMO

 

[branding]

I agree, but it's the long term interest of Ukrainian people for NATO to come to some agreements with Russia and meet some of their security concerns in a fair and balanced way rather thatn let Ukraine get completely destroyed.

IMO

I fail to see how the Ukrainian sovereign country would be a security concern to the big 'almighty' Russia.

That being said, Ukraine will be completely destroyed. Putin has made that clear. No doubt in my mind. And we're all watching it happening.

I'm hoping for a miracle but there are little signs for justifying that hope.

They expect 10M(!) people to flee the the country... Don't want to think about how many getting killed. Women, children... Ordinary people like you and me, driving their family to the border to drop them off, returning to defend their home and country.

All because of one madman...

 

[frank-germany]

I fail to see how the Ukrainian sovereign country would be a security concern to the big 'almighty' Russia.

That being said, Ukraine will be completely destroyed. Putin has made that clear. No doubt in my mind. And we're all watching it happening.

I'm hoping for a miracle but there are little signs for justifying that hope.

They expect 10M(!) people to flee the the country... Don't want to think about how many getting killed. Women, children... Ordinary people like you and me, driving their family to the border to drop them off, returning to defend their home and country.

All because of one madman...

 

[Future Sensors]

I fail to see how the Ukrainian sovereign country would be a security concern to the big 'almighty' Russia.

I found this 31 minute video pretty informational on many levels.

 

[frank-germany]

I like to see you use your brain and provide some analysis of this conflict instead of overwhelming this thread by posting what other people are saying in the news which I am sure that everyone can see for themselves through all the media channels.

IMO

glad to ignore you forever

 

[frank-germany]

I found this 31 minute video pretty informational on many levels.

 

[oldtimer]

I fail to see how the Ukrainian sovereign country would be a security concern to the big 'almighty' Russia.

You have to read up on the history (both recent and ancient) of that region, but if you are asking for my opinion I must say that the most important issue for Russia is probably the fact that Moscow is located on the very Western side of Russia near to some of the NATO countries. And so Russia is worried about their security if Ukraine becomes part of NATO which is going to bring NATO even closer to Moscow.

Most of these issues could have been fixed through diplomacy a month ago if NATO had taken Russia's security concerns more seriously and handled them in a more balanced way based on the realities on the ground.

It might still not be late to deescalate this situation if all sides were willing to make some compromises in the interest of global peace and security and for not having a collapse of the World economy.

IMO

 

[branding]

You have to read up on the history (both recent and ancient) of that region, but if you are asking for my opinion I must say that the most important issue for Russia is probably the fact that Moscow is located on the very Western side of Russia near to some of the NATO countries. And so Russia is worried about their security if Ukraine becomes part of NATO which is going to bring NATO even closer to Moscow.

Most of these issues could have been fixed through diplomacy a month ago if NATO had taken Russia's security concerns more seriously and handled them in a more balanced way based on the realities on the ground.

It might still not be late to deescalate this situation if all sides were willing to make some compromises in the interest of global peace and security and for not having a collapse of the World economy.

IMO

I think I'm educated well enough about the history of the region to know what I'm talking about.

I know the why... trauma/history/ego. Like we'd act in the middle ages. Ukraine in not, and will never be a thread to Russia. Fact.

Still blaming NATO? Might have, may have could have. Meanwhile Russia CAN end this today.

 

[frank-germany]

I think I'm educated well enough about the history of the region to know what I'm talking about.

I know the why... trauma/history/ego. Like we'd act in the middle ages. Ukraine in not, and will never be a thread to Russia. Fact.

Still blaming NATO? Might have, may have could have. Meanwhile Russia CAN end this today.

they have no intention to end it
they have started a narrative of Nato preparing for nuclear war

a mad man must die so why not the whole world with him

 

[oldtimer]

Still blaming NATO? Might have, may have could have. Meanwhile Russia CAN end this today.

As I have already mentioned I blame all sides equally for creating such a dangerous situation for the World.

Nevertheless unlike some others here who like to fan the flames I like to have a peaceful solution to this conflict rather than see more people die on either side.

I feel very bad for all the civilian people that are dislocated or dying in this War. We also need to remember that soldiers on either side are people too and it saddens me to see so much death and carnage when it could have all been avoided if everyone had chosen to take the logical and compassionate way a month ago.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

Interviews with Lavrov, Kasparov...

 

[branding]

As I have already mentioned I blame all sides equally for creating such a dangerous situation for the World.

Nevertheless the less unlike some others here who like to fan the flames I like to have a peaceful solution to this conflict rather than see more people die on either side.

I feel very bad for all the civilian people that are dislocated or dying in this War. We also need to remember that soldiers on either side are people too and it saddens me to see so much death and carnage when it could have all been avoided if everyone had chosen to take the logical and compassionate way a month ago.

IMO

Sorry man... But that's just bullshit. Russia won't even cease fire during negotiations. How can you blame all sides equally?

One defending their homes and family, the other killing women and children for no reason... In a perfect kumbaya world... Maybe... The west may have pissed off Putin but....

There is only one responsible and only one who should be held accountable for the invasion and destruction of Ukraine.

There's only one side killing civilians to satisfy their hunger for more territory. The other side is fighting for their right of existence. No comparison given the circumstances.

Again, history is repeating. There are numerous of reasons why WW2 happened. I've never heard anyone sane stating both (multiple) sides were equally to blame.

Can't justify invading a country and going to war just because you're butthurt.