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It happened on 23rd Aug 2022 and this matter lasted almost one month without any process. Masterbucks.com declined my fund withdrawal and disabled the button of fund withdrawal. And I contacted Epik.com and got no further action even if Rob Monster got involved in it for two weeks. All the time I was told in email by management review.

What is wrong with Epik.com? Do you think it is normal to disable fund withdrawal? How can I get back my fund from Epik.com? Thanks for your suggestion.

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... taking care of as many people as possible and trying to make things right for as many people as possible.
 
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You might have noticed they have updated their backend so past invoices are appearing as to be made to Epik LLC whereas the original invoices stated Epik Holdings.

Dumb move.
... bookkeepers will have some questions.

Regards
 
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I have no idea what went on here, but I swear almost all the companies in this niche seem to be some type of grift.

Grifting customers. Grifting other companies.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/trump-truth-social-accused-stiffing-003058432.html

Donald Trump’s Truth Social is in a battle with RightForge over $1.6 million the conservative internet-hosting vendor says it’s owed, according to a Fox Business report Thursday.

Three sources told Fox Business that Truth Social stopped making payments in March, just a month after launching in February. According to these sources, RightForge is threatening legal action over the money owed for setting up Truth Social’s infrastructure.
 
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I have no idea what went on here, but I swear almost all the companies in this niche seem to be some type of grift.

Grifting customers. Grifting other companies.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/trump-truth-social-accused-stiffing-003058432.html

Donald Trump’s Truth Social is in a battle with RightForge over $1.6 million the conservative internet-hosting vendor says it’s owed, according to a Fox Business report Thursday.

Three sources told Fox Business that Truth Social stopped making payments in March, just a month after launching in February. According to these sources, RightForge is threatening legal action over the money owed for setting up Truth Social’s infrastructure.
yeah, i do know about them. Makes sense for them to buy Epik just for terrahost and customer list. They are not bad. That fight with Trump was hilarious. I knew the dev team at truth social also. I bet they are having fun with Monster...lol. I hope they sue him too.
 
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They seem to be an Epik reseller when it comes to domains.

Considering how Epik screwed over so many customers and partners, I would lean towards Epik being at the root of the problem.

Whatever is going on, it seems like the customer is the one getting screwed over. Sounds familiar.

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Influence or Manipulation is not part of s.c. Free Speech nor Freedom of Expression.

Epik brains decided to join the Alt-tech instead of a 2nd path - Independent-tech.

Still, my number one s#hit show here @ NPs is the dot Best registry promo/manipulation
 
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You might have noticed they have updated their backend so past invoices are appearing as to be made to Epik LLC whereas the original invoices stated Epik Holdings.

Dumb move.
It's not that it's updated, but that I can't access the page anymore. Without this information, the first thing I choose is USD. After the domain name is sold, it becomes https://www.masterbucks.com/ False money, then not paid to me, and finally the transaction information disappeared. Currently, only https://www.masterbucks.com/ False money can be seen, and epik.com cannot search for any information. Not American customers, they still refuse to pay for such explicit fraud behavior.
 
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Unclear who was supposed to pay and didn't pay in this case. Enduser might end up with having the domain @ epik but being unaware of what epik is.

I just checked - one of popular webhost automation solutions, hostbill, has epik intergration among others:
https://hostbillapp.com/hostbill/domainmanagement/registrars/epik/
It means that old epik developed the plugin and hostbill accepted it.

A competing solution, whmcs, does not offer epik:
https://apps.whmcs.com/domains/

So the above rightforce case may not be the only one. Any webhost who is using hostbill and opted to offer domain registrations via hostbill-epik integration may be in the same boat.
 
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terrahost's homepage shows up for me when I check it, but it did take noticeably longer to download the webpage than I would expect.
 
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So the above rightforce case may not be the only one. Any webhost who is using hostbill and opted to offer domain registrations via hostbill-epik integration may be in the same boat.
That is alarming to hear, but would help explain why more and more people keep realizing Epik isn't working "right".
 
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I wouldn't get too concerned about their site crashing. It's just me transferring my domains out. They just can't keep up. 2nd time I've done it. Seriously. :ROFL:
 
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I was busy building a business, and fell behind on this one big time. You know adding value to the world. Making sure my registrar isn't letting my names expire, double billing me, and stealing my money, isn't on my daily to-do list. But honestly this has been a good learning experience for me. Karma is a funny thing. We all get what we deserve one way or another. I'm just wondering what happens when the servers, and computers get seized by the FBI? Just trying to get out before then. I hear it's hard to run a business from prison. I have zero doubt they are both getting locked up form what I've seen. This "data breech" we were all in was the Gov IMO. Not saying I agree with it, but the powers that be want to get these guys. I'm sure they will find some pedo porn soon.
 
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You might have noticed they have updated their backend so past invoices are appearing as to be made to Epik LLC whereas the original invoices stated Epik Holdings.

Dumb move.
Every domain sale I've ever had was deleted. Along with any record that I ever owned it. Invoices, renewals etc... I do think this is beyond dumb. You cannot transfer away past sales like they never happened regardless how you were payed (If you were payed), so no business angle. Plus they have a responsibility to make those records available to customers. Me hand registering a new domain with Visa has nothing to do with MB! To me it just looks incriminating AF. Just a desperate move IMO, it's not like we don't all have email records. I've also been in contact with all my customers directly to get bank statements showing where they payed. :xf.rolleyes: It's as if they're trying to get a longer prison sentence.
 
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Every domain sale I've ever had was deleted. Along with any record that I ever owned it. Invoices, renewals etc... I do think this is beyond dumb. You cannot transfer away past sales like they never happened regardless how you were payed (If you were payed), so no business angle. Plus they have a responsibility to make those records available to customers. Me buying a domain with Visa has nothing to do with MB! To me it just looks incriminating AF. Just a desperate move IMO, it's not like we don't all have email records. I've also been in contact with all my customers directly to get bank statements showing where they payed. :xf.rolleyes:
So I guess we are now at the coverup stage... :facepalm:

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So I guess we are now at the coverup stage... :facepalm:

Brad
Is the registrar required by ICANN to keep domain transaction records (new,renewal, transfers, sales, etc) available to customers???
If "Epik" is deleting / hiding that info, IMO it would seem like a registrar violation of the ICANN agreement to me, but what do I know?

Regardless deleting/hiding domain history records is a VERY, VERY alarming development that I would not expect from ANY reputable registrar that expects to be a "going concern" (not to mention from a registrar that is ALREADY in BREACH of ICANN.)

I don't know anything more than what I read in the NP forum, domain news, etc., but I would STRONGLY recommend anyone that has ANY domains still at Epik to transfer them out ASAP (preferably this weekend or Monday at the latest). Remember Epik's 21 days to proveably FIX the issues causing the breach with ICANN end on June 22nd). Personally, at the absolute latest, I would want domains out of Epik on or BEFORE June 21th.
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IF true, there is another potential angle to it. We know the "old Epik" seemingly had a tendency to use Rob's contact info for domains with WHOIS privacy. I believe there have been several domain disputes that clearly mention that issue. So let us engage in a little theoretical scenario.

If the current owner(s) of "Epik" thinks or knows the registrar is going to LOSE ICANN accreditation, then the domains are going to get transferred out to some other registrar. We know MOST people use WHOIS privacy (either because it is default or required (ie EU buyers). We also know from the issues the Pheenix. com registrar had when it lost ICANN accreditation and the domains were transferred out that the ACTUAL ownership records of domains that had WHOIS Privacy ENABLED was SORELY lacking. Obviously, the NEW registrar would have to require PROOF of ownership in order to gain back access to the domain(s) to ensure someone else isn't stealing them.

So if someone didn't keep their old emails (they liked a tidy inbox, their hard drive crashed, etc.) OR they had someone else or some other company running the billing, etc for them OR they used an "Epik" "reseller" (ie Rightforge). There could be many people that won't be able to prove ownership of a domain in time (or at least not before it expires). Especially if they didn't make it a HABIT to save emails, Epik billing statements showing domain names, or screenshoots. REMEMBER a CC bill or bank statement ONLY shows you PAID "Epik". It very likely will NOT PROVE you owned a SPECIFIC domain(s), since domain names are typically NOT listed on the CC card/bank statement.

So if someone wanted to potentially steal some (high value) domains, they would want to make it very hard / impossible for someone to save that info NOW (if they haven't already) and the best way to do that is scrub all that info from the customer's view of the registrar BEFORE ICANN announces anything official. That way by the time ICANN announces (in this theoretical scenario) that Epik's accreditation is being terminated, when everyone goes to the website to grab that data, it is already long GONE.

Now back to the beginning, since the contact info likely shows "Rob" as the domain registrant (owner), "he" (or anyone else with access to that data, if the "new" owner(s) are actually different, could theoretically claim ownership of a LOT of domains that "he"/they didn't actually own, not to mention domains that "he"/they only temporarily owns (ie domains sold on a payment plan). Now obviously "he"/they wouldn't try to claim ownership of everything, but "he"/they certainly could cherry pick the good domains....and as I said at the start this is ALL a theoretical angle and close to a worse-case scenario too.
 
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Is the registrar required by ICANN to keep domain transaction records (new,renewal, transfers)???
IMO would seem like a registrar violation of the ICANN agreement to me, but what do I know.
Records are a vital part of a business.

You can't just snap your fingers and start over from scratch.

These records are important in many situations like with accounting, ownership, WHOIS, etc.

I am not sure how a registrar could even operate without proper records.

Without proper record keeping, customers are at extreme risk.

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Regardless deleting/hiding domain history records is a VERY, VERY alarming development that I would not expect from ANY reputable registrar that expects to be a "going concern" (not to mention from a registrar that is ALREADY in BREACH of ICANN.)
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IF true, there is another potential angle to it. We know the "old Epik" seemingly had a tendency to use Rob's contact info for domains with WHOIS privacy. I believe there have been several domain disputes that clearly mention that issue. So let us engage in a little theoretical scenario.

If the current owner(s) of "Epik" thinks or knows the registrar is going to LOSE ICANN accreditation, then the domains are going to get transferred out to some other registrar. We know MOST people use WHOIS privacy (either because it is default or required (ie EU buyers). We also know from the issues the Pheenix. com registrar had when it lost ICANN accreditation and the domains were transferred out that the ACTUAL records of WHO domains that had WHOIS Privacy ENABLED was SORELY lacking. Obviously, the NEW registrar would have to require PROOF of ownership in order to gain back access to the domain(s), to ensure someone else isn't stealing them. So if someone didn't keep their old emails (they liked a tidy inbox, their hard drive crashed, etc.) OR they had someone else or some other company running the billing, etc for them OR they used an "Epik" "reseller" (ie Rightforge). There could be many people that won't be able to prove ownership of a domain in time (or at least not before it expires). Especially if they didn't make it a HABIT to save emails, billing statements showing domain names, or screenshoots. REMEMBER a CC bill or bank statement ONLY shows you PAID "Epik" it very likely will NOT PROVE you owned a SPECIFIC domain(s). So if someone wanted to potentially steal some (high value) domains, they would want to make it very hard / impossible for someone to save that info NOW (if they haven't already) and the best way to do that is scrub all that info from the customers view of the registar BEFORE ICANN announces anything official. That way by the time ICANN announces (in this scenario) that Epik's accreditation is being terminated), when everyone goes to the website to grab that data, it is GONE.

Now back to the beginning, since the contact info likely shows "Rob" as the domain owner, "he" (or anyone else with access to that data, if the "new" owner(s) are actually different, could theoretically claim ownership of a LOT of domains that "he"/they didn't actually own, not to mention domains that "he" only temporarily owns (ie domains sold on a payment plan). Now obviously "he"/they wouldn't try to claim ownership of everything, but "he"/they certainly could cherry pick the good domains....and as I said at the start this is ALL a theoretical angle.
Epik's behavior over the last year proves they can't be trusted.

Customers should certainly not be using WHOIS privacy at this point, especially with Epik. You never know what is actually behind it.

This was already a potential disaster scenario. If Epik is starting to mess around with domain and financial records, that takes the risk to an even higher level.

Brad
 
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Epik's behavior over the last year proves they can't be trusted.

Customers should certainly not be using WHOIS privacy at this point, especially with Epik. You never know what is actually behind it.
Keep in mind that in the case of EU users, they likely have NO option to remove WHOIS privacy.
When I brought that up earlier I know an EU user told me they didn't have an option to remove the WHOIS privacy.
 
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