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No it's just Conservative Review's scores of Congress and Senate. But Trump would get an A I'm sure.
Most conservatives would like to see a path to citizenship for most illegals, especially dreamers, but the price will be an ironclad border wall so this immigration debacle is never repeated, but liberals look as if they won't reach across the aisle for even that, and that speaks volumes! The money has to be spent to fix all the crap Obama left us with, and that's a lot of crap!
 
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No it's just Conservative Review's scores of Congress and Senate. But Trump would get an A I'm sure.
Most conservatives would like to see a path to citizenship for most illegals, especially dreamers, but the price will be an ironclad border wall so this immigration debacle is never repeated, but liberals look as if they won't reach across the aisle for even that, and that speaks volumes! The money has to be spent to fix all the crap Obama left us with, and that's a lot of crap!

As far as the deal, I even said earlier, that's how deals work. They both get what they want, they both have stuff that they hate.

As far as Trump getting an A for Conservatism, come on. Morally? Flunked. Spending on Wall , infrastructure etc. Tax bills that might raise the deficit by 1.5 trillion. That's usually stuff Conservatives are against.

Just because you're a Trump fan, doesn't mean you have to give him an A on everything or defend every idiotic thing he does.

"The money has to be spent to fix all the crap Obama left us with, and that's a lot of crap!"

He left us with an economy Trump is always trying to take credit for.

We're now in year 2, we now have a GOP bill. So we slowly transition to you guys owning this.

So we'll see how things are at the end of his first and only term.
 
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Loretta.... better start worrying, because you're NEXT and hopefully very...
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I guess Gilsan unaware he just posted that the previous page.

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He fixed it.

Thanks for reading my posts Gilsan :xf.wink:
 
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You're the king of posting stuff as if you were sitting in a room with certain politicians. Your access must be unbelievable! And now your quoting John McCain's Twitter account. He's a lib in conservative clothing and hates Trump almost as much as you! It's laughable!
He has underground access to all his BS...
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Clearly, Obama was owned by Russian Oligarchs and only leased to George Soros. Don't tell @JB Lions

White House: Brennan was in Kiev this weekend
https://www.usatoday.com/story/theo...ennan-kiev-russia-ukraine-jay-carney/7705755/


Does John Brennan Know Too Much for Obama to Fire Him?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-too-much-to-be-fired-by-barack-obama/375431/

Rift in Obama administration over Putin
The president’s reluctance to respond assertively is signaling U.S. weakness and indecision, some officials say.
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/syria-obama-putin-russia-discord-214677
 
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Obama kiss'n comrade Putin's ass in Crimea. Putin must've owned this guy!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sama...putin-meeting-irresponsible/story?id=34065218


Cia giving away our secrets to the Kremlin.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-what-the-cia-director-was-really-doing-in-kiev

The Obama administration is now considering a new policy to share more real-time intelligence with the interim government in Kiev after pressure from some in the U.S. military, Congress and U.S. allies in Ukraine.

Somebody tell @JB Lions his man was owned by Putin. Probably why he didn't stop the RU from hacking our election! HE WANTED TRUMP TO WIN!!!
 
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Obama kiss'n comrade Putin's ass in Crimea. Putin must've owned this guy!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sama...putin-meeting-irresponsible/story?id=34065218

You never learn. Who is President now?


2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...t-style-collapse-as-rouble-defence-fails.html

"President Barack Obama will not veto a law passed by Congress imposing a raft of new sanctions against Russia"

unlike:
The vote on Russia Sanctions:

House: 419-3
Senate: 98-2

Why isn't Mr. x addressing that? hmm


Why do you think Russia was going for Trump? Hillary would have been tough on Putin, they know they could work Trump and that he was weak and dumb.

while I'm here:

Black unemployment spikes after Trump touts record-low level in fight with Jay-Z, State of the Union speech


"The unemployment rate for black Americans jumped to 7.7% in January, up from 6.8% in December, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics."

http://www.businessinsider.com/black-unemployment-rate-trump-state-of-the-union-jay-z-fight-2018-2

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Not the Onion.

You never learn. Who is President now?



2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...t-style-collapse-as-rouble-defence-fails.html

"President Barack Obama will not veto a law passed by Congress imposing a raft of new sanctions against Russia"

unlike:
The vote on Russia Sanctions:

House: 419-3
Senate: 98-2

Why isn't Mr. x addressing that? hmm


Why do you think Russia was going for Trump? Hillary would have been tough on Putin, they know they could work Trump and that he was weak and dumb.

while I'm here:

Black unemployment spikes after Trump touts record-low level in fight with Jay-Z, State of the Union speech


"The unemployment rate for black Americans jumped to 7.7% in January, up from 6.8% in December, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics."

http://www.businessinsider.com/black-unemployment-rate-trump-state-of-the-union-jay-z-fight-2018-2

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Clearly, Obama was owned by Russian Oligarchs and only leased to George Soros. Don't tell JB Lions
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My Lips are...
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Your lips probably more like Donald's

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When I was getting that, I never knew of pedo claims against Putin, apparently he likes to kiss on little boy's stomachs:

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"But months later it would be the catalyst for a bizarre sequence of events that led to exiled former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko and Putin enemy allegedly signing his death warrant by accusing his nemesis of being a paedophile."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...president-said-wanted-stroke-like-kitten.html

Parties with Pedos, supports Pedo candidates, supports Russian pedos.

Slain ex-KGB spy accused Putin of pedophilia 4 months before poisoning
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/22/alexander-litvinenko-slain-ex-kgb-spy-accused-puti/

He still gets an A?

Sickening.
 
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Deleted Paul Ryan tweet, oh my, a whole $1.50 extra a week.

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Paul Ryan deleted his embarrassing tweet of a blatant admission because he and Republicans don’t want you to know the truth: the #GOPTaxScam is a gift to corporate America and the top 1% at your expense. He also doesn’t want you to know he got $500.000.00 from the Koch family.
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What else is happening, aye, another Russian Opposition Activist found dead. Doesn't seem like people in Russia opposing Putin have a long life expectancy.

"Russian opposition activist Konstantin Sinitsyn has been found dead of head injuries in the entranceway to his St. Petersburg apartment building."

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-prominent-activist-found-dead/29016514.html

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Carter Page Touted Kremlin Contacts in 2013 Letter
http://time.com/5132126/carter-page...utm_medium=social&xid=time_socialflow_twitter

Congressman Devin Nunes to Bret Baier on Friday night:

“I don't believe that somebody like Mr. Page should be a target of the FBI.”

Big news from @TIME: “Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin,” Page wrote in a 2013 letter.
 
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BILL Clinton made a Speech in Russia & the Kremlin wired $500k to his bank account. Months later Hillary sold 20% of US uranium to a Putin owned company. But Nothing to see here folks ... It's Carter Page we should look at...
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This tweet by Trump is aging BEAUTIFULLY!
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JB and the Puppeteer thing got me interested to look a few things up to validate what I have read before. All the anti Putin stuff is interesting, but it isn’t a joke.

It’s wrong headed for Euros or Americans I think to wish failure on them. Under his watch the economy was built up, Russian middle class developed and thanks to oil prices and a quasi capitalist system. It grew. They borrowed money, etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

He doesn’t have that much impact or control really. The media skews it all. The ex KGB guy isn’t a saint, neither is Merkel, May, Macron, or even Assad they are all politicians. At least he isn’t Chavez, or Kin jung goofball shooting rockets off or starving people. Russia under his leadership has come back to be economically viable as a country since the USSR fell apart. They have self sufficiency, and it’s best they become part of the world, not isolated. (I joke about the US needs to be isolated, but its more unrealistic joking on my part than anything as the globalism trade thing isnt stopping. The trade deficits need balancing though.)

So Can you blame them? Putin took over duly elected 10 years after all the 1990 aimless “what do we do now” mess and transition from failed communism with former eastern blocks countries went their own ways with the separations of former USSR, and the Crimean peninsula Black Sea Fleets facilities was under lease from Ukraine for 20 years. (2017 due date to expire) Maybe his election was crooked, who knows. But if you think why things occured its pretty simple and strategically he needs ports in Crimea on the Black Sea to exit the southern landlocked Russian territory through Turkey and more importantly Naval bases in Syria to protect encroachment from the west, right?

This whole world condemnation of the 2014 annex of Crimea, is pretty skewed by western media imo. The entire history of the peninsula has been a mess with so many changes (read about it)

“In 1994, the legal status of Crimea as part of Ukraine was backed up by Russia, who pledged to uphold the territorial integrity of Ukraine in a memorandum signed in 1994, also signed by the US and UK.”

“Following the ratification of the May 1997 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership on friendship and division of the Black Sea Fleet, international tensions slowly eased off. With the treaty, Moscow recognized Ukraine's borders and territorial integrity, and accepted Ukraine's sovereignty over Crimea and Sevastopol.[14]:600 In a separate agreement, Russia was to receive 80 percent of the Black Sea Fleet and use of the military facilities in Sevastopol on a 20-year lease.[14]:600”

“In 2006, protests broke out on the peninsula after U.S. Marines[44] arrived at the Crimean city of Feodosiya to take part in the Sea Breeze 2006 Ukraine-NATO military exercise. Protesters greeted the marines with barricades and slogans bearing "Occupiers go home!" and a couple of days later, the Crimean parliament declared Crimea a "NATO-free territory." After several days of protest, the U.S. Marines withdrew from the peninsula.[45]”.
Why Nato meddling anyway?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Crimea

and there was a vote to allow Russian control, that evidently no western countries attended. Some Maxine Waters oversight, since she is intelligent, lol. So Why not? Where were western europeans? I’d say thats poor leadership. There are legions of pro russian people living in the Ukraine, speaking russian in addition to pro Ukrainian factions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-complicated-history/?utm_term=.cda8bba0c2df

I am surprised that Russia let loose of their full control in the first place as its the only southern sea port access. They rely on Turkey to pass through Istanbul to the mediterranean. Syria naval bases helps balance that power and gives them access to the mediterranean. It makes sense to me.

http://cimsec.org/mediterranean-driving-russias-strategic-decisions-since-1676/30070

As far as hackers and meddling in the election, who knows. Putin directed? All we read and see is what all the factions of govt and under informed news outlets propaganda news they want us to hear.

Afterall, the US needs enemies to keep the military industrial complex and Lockheed lobbists that Comey worked for going. Lol.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-sanctions-u-s--treasury-warning-bonds-congress/29015355.html

The newest sanctions, based on the findings to me are questionable as we now learn about all the upper level corrupt US intelligence agencies, and the latest scandal?
 
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What most people, especially Americans forget is that Russia is at least 70-80% responsible for helping defeat ISIS in Syria, the rest is thanks to the US, the Kurds and some NATO countries.

Sanctions against Russia is pointless and counter-productive, just like if the Russians declared sanctions against the US.

Sanctions are not so easy to be fully implemented as there are allways other countries that are quite willing to side-track them. North Korea and Iran are an example. It's true that sanctions can hurt a country, but they can also have an opposite effect where that country starts becoming more self reliant and their governments become more dictatorial.
 
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The sanctions are hurting, otherwise they wouldn't even be talking about them every day.
Russia is not self-reliant. It is still a backward country in most aspects. For example the sanctions hinder their financing on international markets or access to oil drilling technology. They are hurting, what can be debated is to what extent.
Also the travel ban is a source of discomfort for the oligarchs. But hundreds of shady Russians have found the solution: EU countries like Malta or Cyprus sell their passports (= access to the Schengen area). Europe is very welcoming to a certain type of 'refugee'...
 
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