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Went to log into GoDaddy and right on the front page I got this..

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Here's a link to the full letter from Blake Irving...
https://blakesblog.com/2017/07/netneutrality/
 
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Don't worry, Richard Hendricks & Gavin Belson are building the new internet.
 
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I am curious if GD & NPs are taking this stance in interest of their customers or is this a political decision?

I am honestly offended as a long time Programmer who used to dial up and connect to a BBS so I could PPP over to the internet. The internet has been the greatest platform for innovation ever created. Why was Net Neutrality not need during it's entire hayday - and what has it done since implemented? Why was this so important for your companies to support?

I personally spend a lot of time at NPs and have a pretty decent profile of domains at GD. Hence why I am so offended that you guys are pushing this...

If you don't mind - can the two of you separately explain why you support Net "Neutrality" ?


@Joe Styler @Eric Lyon
Net Neutrality is the current norm now. What I am against is a change in the status quo not a new regulation. There has been a lot written about net neutrality already a google search will bring up some good summaries but in a nutshell it is the idea of keeping the internet a level playing field for an average person or small company and a big company. The new regulations would allow for an ISP to charge more for people to get preferential treatment. For instance if I were starting a new Netflix or Youtube my video would be throttled in its delivery to you if I didn't pay more to deliver it meaning Internet Giants such as Youtube and Netflix could afford to pay more and their videos would load fast and my new idea for a great service would load slow and potentially gain less traction. There is more to it than that, but my personal belief is this is going to hurt innovation, small business, and entrepreneurs and enable bigger businesses to have an advantage. One of the great things about the Internet in my opinion is that is gives everyone an equal opportunity for success and for their product, service, voice, to be seen and heard. I have voiced my opinion officially to the govt on several occasions including today. This is US only policy and if you would like to make your voice heard you can express a comment using the following link https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/proceedings?q=name:((17-108))
(stepping down from soapbox)
 
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Here on NamePros too...

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This one's keep popping since yesterday (pretty annoying). I know the intention is good but why do they need stuff like my address, phone number?
 
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These kinda mesages are so intrusive. and no better than spam.
 
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I signed up already, and it keeps popping up.
 
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I signed up already, and it keeps popping up.

Damn! I almost signed up due to my love for the Internet.
My concern is spammers can use these kind of pop-ups to collect your personal information on some websites (not secure sites Namepros).
 
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i got the same thing (in red) yesterday

what is it?

Virus?
 
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Intrusive? Yes. Spam? No.

Net neutrality concerns all who use the internet, this is relevant information and I'd strongly urge anyone in the States to show their support.

And I strongly urge them to read up on the law, think about it logically, and then make a decision rather to sign or not. True internet freedom would be for "Net Neutrality" to go away since it is nothing but the over-regulation of an industry that was thriving and operating Freely on it's own. You will lose your rights on the Internet over this law - not gain any.
 
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@Michael M, your ignorance is spreading misinformation. Learn what you're writing about or stay out of it.

The fact that you think you understand this better than one of the largest tech companies in the world (GoDaddy) is preposterous. You don't have a clue what you are writing about, and I'll tell you why.

Your primary argument is that if an internet service provider (ISP) does something deplorable, then consumers will unite together and abandon ship! While this may sound plausible in your fantasy world, it lacks reality. The greater part of America does not get to choose their ISP.

In rural areas, there is seldom more than a single choice: satellite. Consumers rarely have the luxury of abundance and choice, and when they do, their financial means tend to restrain them to a single provider.

In cities, most consumers are beholden to property owners who make those decisions, generally based wholly on profits without regard for the consumer. I have rented places all over (as do ~31.8% of Americans in 2017) and experienced this firsthand. Want to change your ISP? Too bad; it's not an option. Want to move somewhere else? That's too expensive and impractical for the majority of Americans.

The remaining few who would take the time and money, and have the capability, to switch providers would not be enough to offset the profits those companies were making from controlling the internet in their favor.

To make it more impossible, every major ISP would be doing it. If not right away, then absolutely as soon as they were attacked by one of their competitors. The only uncorrupted choices left would be smaller ISPs, which aren't available everywhere.

Yes, net neutrality protects the less fortunate more than it does the wealthy, which you seem to represent. Stop misrepresenting the issue or take a hike. Minds far greater than yours have already weighed the pros and cons, and your attempts to undermine and insult their intelligence is deplorable.

If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
 
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Intrusive? Yes. Spam? No.

Net neutrality concerns all who use the internet, this is relevant information and I'd strongly urge anyone in the States to show their support.

It's spam to me. A total unwanted message which you can't get rid of. Which keeps popping up. Extremely annoying. I thought I'd been infected by a virus.
 
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There should be an action against this
 
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I typically try my best to stay away from politics in domaining - but...

The internet was neutral and innovative long before Net Neutrality... As with a lot of modern day laws - this one is actually the opposite of what it sounds like. If anything it will stifle the freedom of the internet as it gives the government the mechanisms for this.

It actually surprises me GD & NPs support it. I personally don't approve.

This law was passed under the guise of keeping internet companies from throttling data speeds - but it has much more to do with FCC type control of what was a free internet.

Everyone please do your research before you choose to sign a form to support something.

@Joe Styler @Eric Lyon - I am disappointed in your platforms promoting this. If you recall a lot of internet companies were actually posting forms AGAINST this a couple of years ago. Has this law helped your companies or customers? NO.
 
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I typically try my best to stay away from politics in domaining - but...

The internet was neutral and innovative long before Net Neutrality... As with a lot of modern day laws - this one is actually the opposite of what it sounds like. If anything it will stifle the freedom of the internet as it gives the government the mechanisms for this.

It actually surprises me GD & NPs support it. I personally don't approve.

This law was passed under the guise of keeping internet companies from throttling data speeds - but it has much more to do with FCC type control of what was a free internet.

Everyone please do your research before you choose to sign a form to support something.

@Joe Styler @Eric Lyon - I am disappointed in your platforms promoting this. If you recall a lot of internet companies were actually posting forms AGAINST this a couple of years ago. Has this law helped your companies or customers? NO.
This! Don't just stop at the title of the proposal or bill.
 
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stub said:
These kinda mesages are so intrusive. and no better than spam.

Intrusive? Yes. Spam? No.

Net neutrality concerns all who use the internet, this is relevant information and I'd strongly urge anyone in the States to show their support.
 
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No need for NPs to respond here - as they did on this thread: https://www.namepros.com/threads/battle-for-the-net-july-12-petition-popup.1029678/

I would still love to hear from GoDaddy on why they support this and how this was not a political decision for them.

For all the innocent bi-standers - I apologize. I very rarely go on "rants" on these boards and always try to stay positive and helpful. But I am offended that Internet companies are pushing support for a political cause that opposes the industry.

If people will remember back just a little while ago - a lot of internet companies had the exact opposite popup asking people to oppose Net Neutrality. That may have been just as wrong - but obviously this debate isn't as cut an dry as these popups seem. Otherwise everyone could get behind the same idea of "Internet Freedom"

Net Neutrality - in my opinion and many others - will do nothing but stifle the industry and increase costs in the name of preventing "bad ISPs" from throttling your data.

I will not rant any more about this, but I will continue respond to this thread if conversation continues.
 
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No need for NPs to respond here - as they did on this thread: https://www.namepros.com/threads/battle-for-the-net-july-12-petition-popup.1029678/

I would still love to hear from GoDaddy on why they support this and how this was not a political decision for them.

For all the innocent bi-standers - I apologize. I very rarely go on "rants" on these boards and always try to stay positive and helpful. But I am offended that Internet companies are pushing support for a political cause that opposes the industry.

If people will remember back just a little while ago - a lot of internet companies had the exact opposite popup asking people to oppose Net Neutrality. That may have been just as wrong - but obviously this debate isn't as cut an dry as these popups seem. Otherwise everyone could get behind the same idea of "Internet Freedom"

Net Neutrality - in my opinion and many others - will do nothing but stifle the industry and increase costs in the name of preventing "bad ISPs" from throttling your data.

I will not rant any more about this, but I will continue respond to this thread if conversation continues.
That's an interesting point you raise on why companies like GD would concern themselves with this issue. I'm too cynical to believe it's only for the good of users.
 
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Exactly. To me, although others may disagree - this is a purely political position. I think I explained above and on the other thread how - so as I promised I will do my best to not rant again without being prodded. :)

I am soooo tired of politics because they have become so nasty these days. So it makes me a little sick to my stomach to login to my favorite sites and see them taking a position. To top it off - from my point of view - it is a position against the industry they are in.
 
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Net Neutrality is the current norm now. What I am against is a change in the status quo not a new regulation. There has been a lot written about net neutrality already a google search will bring up some good summaries but in a nutshell it is the idea of keeping the internet a level playing field for an average person or small company and a big company. The new regulations would allow for an ISP to charge more for people to get preferential treatment. For instance if I were starting a new Netflix or Youtube my video would be throttled in its delivery to you if I didn't pay more to deliver it meaning Internet Giants such as Youtube and Netflix could afford to pay more and their videos would load fast and my new idea for a great service would load slow and potentially gain less traction. There is more to it than that, but my personal belief is this is going to hurt innovation, small business, and entrepreneurs and enable bigger businesses to have an advantage. One of the great things about the Internet in my opinion is that is gives everyone an equal opportunity for success and for their product, service, voice, to be seen and heard. I have voiced my opinion officially to the govt on several occasions including today. This is US only policy and if you would like to make your voice heard you can express a comment using the following link https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/proceedings?q=name:((17-108))
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I do highly appreciate your thoughtful response.

I believe your intents are good and as you said it is the new norm, but sometimes things go through that never should have.

Your argument is valid to an extent on the throttling issue - but it comes down to someone does have to pay the cost for the network infrastructure to support all this new streaming data. It is going to be passed on to the end user one way or another. Either from your video providers in their fee since they would have to pay the ISP - or by your ISP to average out the bandwidth use across their customer base.

I feel this should be a company choice and not a government choice - therefore net neutrality never should have been introduced. If it wasn't there would have been slight "turbulence" while companies figured out how to shift the costs - but that is how businesses work in America. It would balance out quickly to shift cost and keep customers on all fronts. New innovations could have been developed because of this problem such as better video compression or alternate methods of internet delivery. (even for rural areas - see what some companies are doing out there)

If the true goal of Net Neutrality is to stop ISPs from throttling connections I do not see how accepting the new norm as a good thing - when you could pass laws specifically to do that without "seizing control" of the internet. Some times you have to take a step back before you can walk forward on the correct path.

None-the-less - My point is this is a political subject and I feel many other people in the internet industry that were as offended by Net Neutrality as me in the first place are going to find offense in Internet Companies jumping to support it. I find such offense by it since I basically spent my entire life on and developing for it.

But as I said before the method you use to show your support is also important - and I appreciate that yours is not as intrusive and misleading as others.
 
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I do highly appreciate your thoughtful response.

I believe your intents are good and as you said it is the new norm, but sometimes things go through that never should have.

Your argument is valid to an extent on the throttling issue - but it comes down to someone does have to pay the cost for the network infrastructure to support all this new streaming data. It is going to be passed on to the end user one way or another. Either from your video providers in their fee since they would have to pay the ISP - or by your ISP to average out the bandwidth use across their customer base.

I feel this should be a company choice and not a government choice - therefore net neutrality never should have been introduced. If it wasn't there would have been slight "turbulence" while companies figured out how to shift the costs - but that is how businesses work in America. It would balance out quickly to shift cost and keep customers on all fronts. New innovations could have been developed because of this problem such as better video compression or alternate methods of internet delivery. (even for rural areas - see what some companies are doing out there)

If the true goal of Net Neutrality is to stop ISPs from throttling connections I do not see how accepting the new norm as a good thing - when you could pass laws specifically to do that without "seizing control" of the internet. Some times you have to take a step back before you can walk forward on the correct path.

None-the-less - My point is this is a political subject and I feel many other people in the internet industry that were as offended by Net Neutrality as me in the first place are going to find offense in Internet Companies jumping to support it. I find such offense by it since I basically spent my entire life on and developing for it.

But as I said before the method you use to show your support is also important - and I appreciate that yours is not as intrusive and misleading as others.
At least it has us discussing the issue :) thanks for your comments and well thought out response.
 
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@Joe Styler - Personally I would like to see less politics out of the companies I do business with. We are so inundated by it on a daily basis a lot of people are fatigued and tired of it. It is injected into every part of our lives and it is VERY divisive these days. You can split your customer base in half with a bad political statement as some companies have shown recently. This can happen in either direction.

I imagine as a hosting provider you are taking this stance as a show of support to your web hosting clients, but do realize you are taking a political side of an argument which causes unneeded possible friction from a marketing perspective.

I just wanted to share that thought with you. Thank you for your time.
 
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