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We really need to start and keep a thread on each of the big domain auction sites since some are good and some are bad.

Take a peak at the Moniker Auction contract they want you to sign. I own importationdotcom and wanted to list it with them but after reading the contract I was blown away.

EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT

THIS EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT (this “Agreement”) is entered into this ____ day of _____****____, 2008, by and between __________________ (hereinafter referred to as “Seller”), and DomainSystems, Inc, a Florida corporation (hereinafter referred to as “Buyer/Seller Agent”) (Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent each a “Party” and may be collectively referred to as the “Parties”).

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Seller to grant to Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Internet domain names, assets or web sites listed on one or more of the ADDENDA hereto (the “Name or Names”), in accordance with the terms and conditions contained herein; and,

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Buyer/Seller Agent to use its commercially reasonable efforts to secure purchasers to purchase the Names in accordance with the terms and conditions contained herein; and,

NOW THEREFORE, the Parties do hereby agree as follows:

TERM OF THE AGREEMENT: Seller grants Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Name(s) for one hundred and twenty (120) calendar days from the date of submitting/declaring one of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA to this Agreement or sixty (60) days from the conclusion of any auction or private sale taking place after the submission/declaring of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA, whichever occurs later (the “Exclusive Sale Period”). The ADDENDA to this Agreement shall consist of, but are not limited to, those items submitted by Seller for selection and acceptance by Buyer/Seller Agent to secure purchasers. This exclusive right and authority to sell period will automatically renew at the end of each term unless Buyer/Seller Agent is notified by Seller in writing within 15 days of expiration that Seller is terminating the Agreement.

Once a Name is submitted by Seller, whether by ADDENDA or otherwise, the Name becomes subject to this Agreement, whether or not Seller is notified that the Name has been selected for the auction or private sale. If, however, Buyer/Seller Agent notifies Seller that a Name has not been selected for auction or private sale, Seller will be permitted to withdraw the Name from submission.

EXCLUSIVITY: During the Exclusive Sale Period, Seller agrees not to use, appoint or engage any person or entity other than Buyer/Seller Agent to act as its agent, sales representative or in a similar capacity with respect to the Names during the term of this Agreement. In the event that Seller sells or markets the Names directly to a buyer or through any person or entity other than Buyer/Seller Agent during the term of this Agreement, Buyer/Seller Agent shall be entitled to receive the Fee (as hereinafter defined).

NON CIRCUMVENTION: In addition to any other rights Buyer/Seller Agent may have, during the term of this Agreement and for a period of two (2) years following the termination of this Agreement, Seller shall not, directly or indirectly:

a.Make contact or attempt to make contact, solicit or attempt to solicit, negotiate
or attempt to negotiate, enter into or attempt to enter into any agreement, and/or transact or attempt to transact any business with any potential purchaser (or such purchaser’s attorneys, agents (other than Moniker), representatives, employees, officers, directors, principals, owners, shareholders, members, managers or any person or entity that is connected, directly or indirectly, with such purchaser) procured by or introduced to Seller by Moniker, except to the extent such contact is through, or with the prior written consent of, Moniker; and

b.Commit any other acts, directly or indirectly, which would affect in any way
whatsoever, circumvent the restrictive covenant stated in subparagraph 3(a) immediately above.

c.In the event that Seller violates the provisions of Section 3(a) or (b), Buyer/Seller
Agent shall be entitled to receive the Fee (as hereinafter defined).

BUYER/SELLER AGENT COMPENSATION:

a. Seller agrees to pay Buyer/Seller Agent a fee for each or any Name sold (the “Fee”) equal to fifteen percent (15%) of the Total Sales Price of such Name that meets or exceeds the agreed upon reserve. Buyer/Seller Agent shall not be authorized to consummate the sale of a Name on Seller’s behalf unless and until Seller has given its written consent to the proposed Total Sales Price for such Name if the reserve price has not been met. Seller understands that Buyer/Seller Agent actually purchases the domain from Seller and then resells the domain/s to the buyer through the sales and auction process.

b. Seller agrees that Buyer/Seller Agent may purchase a Name from Seller during the Exclusive Sale Period in an effort to consummate a sale with another party (For creative financing, special term sales, etc). DomainSystems, Inc./ Moniker.com does become the owner of each domain name in the sales and change of ownership process and through escrow. The Buyer/Seller Agent will not be a bidder at an auction.

c. For purposes hereof, “Total Sales Price” means the sum of the cash and value of any other consideration that a buyer has agreed to pay for the Name, excluding any escrow or finders fee paid by Buyer (as hereinafter defined).

d. The Fee with respect to each sale of a Name consummated during the Exclusive Sale Period shall be paid by Seller to Buyer/Seller Agent (by wire transfer from funds in escrow account).

e. The Buyer/Seller Agent shall have no obligation to deliver any transfer documents until Buyer/Seller Agent has received payment of the required Fee.

5. ERRONEOUS SUBMISSIONS BY SELLER: If Seller erroneously submits a domain to Buyer/Seller hereunder which Seller does not, in fact, own or otherwise have the right to sell, and such error is not discovered prior to the sale of the name by Buyer/Seller Agent, Seller shall nonetheless be responsible to Buyer/Seller Agent for payment of the commission hereunder.

6.REIMBURSEMENT OF COSTS: Buyer/Seller Agent shall bear all costs and expenses incurred by it in connection with the performance of its duties hereunder; provided, however, that Seller shall reimburse Buyer/Seller Agent for any reasonable travel expenses that are expressly pre-approved by Seller in writing and thereafter incurred by Buyer/Seller Agent to attend meetings at Seller’s request.
BUYER/SELLER AGENT RESPONSIBILITIES: Buyer/Seller Agent agrees to use commercially reasonable efforts to secure buyers for the Names during the Exclusive Sale Period. During the Exclusive Sale Period, Buyer/Seller Agent may conduct an auction or private/public sale of the Name via the Internet or other reasonable means. Buyer/Seller Agent agrees that its responsibilities shall be performed in a diligent, competent and professional manner. Seller acknowledges and agrees that this Agreement does not require Buyer/Seller Agent to render services solely to Seller or to devote Buyer/Seller Agent’s entire business time and effort to the performance of its duties hereunder. During the Exclusive Sale Period, Buyer/Seller Agent shall have the right to act as a sales representative, distributor and/or marketing agent for persons and entities other than Seller, including, without limitation, persons and entities who are or who may be in competition with Seller.

SELLER RESPONSIBILITIES: Seller agrees to do the following during the Exclusive Sales Period:

a. Refer all previous, pending and future inquires from brokers, Buyer/Seller Agents, purchasers or others interested in the Names to Buyer/Seller Agent;

b. Provide Buyer/Seller Agent with complete and accurate information regarding Seller and the Names promptly upon request by Buyer/Seller Agent;

c. Assist Buyer/Seller Agent in the marketing and sale of the Name as may reasonably be requested (such assistance shall be at Buyer/Seller Agent’s sole expense unless Seller provides express written authorization in advance); and

d. Provide to Buyer/Seller Agent such other information and data as Buyer/Seller Agent may reasonably request from time to time in order to permit Buyer/Seller Agent to perform its duties hereunder.

REPRESENTATIONS OF SELLER: Seller represents and warrants to Buyer/Seller Agent that it (i) has the authority to enter into this Agreement and (ii) possesses, and has the authority to transfer, good, valid and marketable title to the Name(s). Seller further warrants and represents to Buyer/Seller Agent that: 1) Seller is the sole owner of all right, title and interest in the Name(s); 2) the Name(s) are/is being transferred to Buyer/Seller Agent free of any liens, encumbrances, restrictions, licenses, or security interests; 3) Seller properly purchased and registered the Name(s) without committing fraud or misrepresentation; 4) the Name(s) do/does not infringe the rights of any third party; and 5) the Name(s) have/has not been, and are/is not currently the subject of any litigation, claims, arbitration or other legal proceeding, either pending, contemplated or threatened, nor has Seller received any notice of any such pending items.

ESCROW: Except as otherwise agreed to in a writing signed by both parties, the contemplated purchase and sale of any Name(s) hereunder shall take place pursuant to Buyer/Seller Agent’s escrow procedures set forth in the terms and conditions contained on Buyer/Seller Agent’s website (which are incorporated herein), as amended from time to time.

INDEMNIFICATION: Seller hereby agrees to indemnify and hold harmless Buyer/Seller Agent, its officers, directors, shareholders, employees and agents, from and against any and all loss, damage, liability or expense (including reasonable attorneys’ fees and costs), to which they may be put or which they may incur by reason of, or in connection with, any misrepresentation made by Seller, any breach of any of warranties by Seller, Seller’s failure to fulfill any of its covenants or obligations under this Agreement, or any trademark, copyright or patent infringement arising out of or relating to the Name(s), or in any way arising out of Buyer/Seller Agent’s being a party to, or Buyer/Seller Agent’s performance of, this Agreement, other than through Buyer/Seller Agent’s gross negligence or willful misconduct. The foregoing obligation shall exist only if Buyer/Seller Agent (i) promptly notifies Seller of such claim, (ii) provides Seller with reasonable information, assistance and cooperation in defending the lawsuit or proceeding and (iii) gives Seller exclusive control and sole authority over the defense and settlement of such claim.

JOINT MATERIALS: The Parties agree that all marketing materials developed in connection with the services performed by Buyer/Seller Agent hereunder shall be the joint property of Buyer/Seller Agent and Seller and neither party shall use such materials after the Exclusive Sale Period without the prior written approval of the other Party.

RELATIONSHIP OF THE PARTIES; REPORTING OF INCOME. Buyer/Seller Agent is retained hereunder as an independent contractor and nothing herein contained shall create an employer/employee, principal/agent, partnership or joint venture relationship between the Parties. The Parties agree that Buyer/Seller Agent shall include all compensation it receives hereunder in its own books or account for inclusion on its own applicable tax return, that Buyer/Seller Agent shall be responsible for payment of all income and employment taxes thereon, and that such compensation will not be subject to any offset, employee payroll taxes or other deduction.

CONFIDENTIALITY: Each Party agrees that it shall not disclose the terms of this Agreement to any person or persons except as required by applicable law or compelled by a court of competent jurisdiction. Notwithstanding the foregoing, this Section 12 shall not apply to disclosures made by a Party to its agents, employees and advisors to whom such disclosure is necessary in order to perform pursuant to this Agreement.

ATTORNEY’S FEES AND COSTS: In connection with any litigation arising out of this Agreement, the prevailing party, whether Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent, shall be entitled to recover all costs incurred, including reasonable attorney’s fees, for services rendered in connection with such litigation, including appellate proceedings and post-judgment proceedings.
DISCLOSURES: Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent specifically acknowledge and understand that if either Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent knows of facts materially affecting the value of the Name(s), whether said facts are readily observable or not, Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent, as applicable, shall disclose these facts to the other Party.

NOTICES: Any notice required or permitted to be delivered pursuant to this Agreement must be delivered by facsimile, U.S. Mail, certified or registered mail, or overnight courier, and addressed as set forth below the signature line of the Party to whom notice is being given, or to such other address as the Parties may from time to time designate by notice in writing to the other Party.

GOVERNING LAW: This Agreement shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the State of Florida, without respect to its conflict of laws provisions. Venue for any litigation arising under, or in connection with, this Agreement shall be in Miami-Dade County, Florida.

ENTIRE AGREEMENT: This Agreement constitutes and represents the entire agreement between the Parties and supersedes any prior understandings or agreements, written or oral, between the Parties respecting the subject matter of this Agreement. This Agreement may be amended, supplemented or modified only upon an agreement in writing executed by all of the Parties. This Agreement shall inure to the benefit of and shall be binding upon the Parties and their respective successors and assigns. If any provision of this Agreement shall be determined to be invalid, void or illegal, such provision shall be construed and amended in a manner which would permit its enforcement, but in no event shall such provision affect, impair or invalidate any other provision in this Agreement.
Headings For Convenience: As used in this Agreement, captions and paragraph headings are provided solely for convenience and shall not be deemed to restrict, limit or interpret the meaning of the text.

COUNTERPARTS: This Agreement may be executed in one or more counterparts, each of which shall be deemed an original, but all of which together shall constitute one and the same instrument. Photocopies, signatures reproduced by mechanical, digital or other means, and/or facsimile transmittal signature pages may be used instead of originals.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned have set their hands and seals on the date first written above.

SELLER:
By:
Name:
Title:
Moniker Account #:
Email:
Phone:
Fax:

Address:
BUYER/SELLER AGENT:
DOMAINSYSTEMS, INC.
By:
Name: Monte Cahn
Title President/CEO
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 954-984-8445
Fax: 954-969-9155
Address: 20 SW 27th Ave.
Pompano Beach, FL 33069


ADDENDUM TO EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT
Declaration / DESCRIPTION Of Assets (if applicable)

My Moniker.com Account Number is:____________


THIS IS AN ADDENDUM TO EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT (this “Agreement”) is entered into this ___ day of _______, 2008, by and between _____________________ (hereinafter referred to as “Seller”), and DomainSystems, Inc, a Florida corporation (hereinafter referred to as “Buyer/Seller Agent”) (Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent each a “Party” and may be collectively referred to as the “Parties”) whereas, it is the desire of Seller to grant to Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Internet domain names, assets, or web sites listed hereto of which additional items may be added. This ADDENDUM represents the declaration and description of assets as described hereto.

1.Assets – Tangible:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________
1. Assets – Intangible:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

2. The liens and or encumbrances and or options to purchase Assets described above consist of:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

3. Please list all of the owners of the Assets described above?

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

4. Documents of title ownership / leans, such as a UCC filing, are filed in the facility listed below on the date listed below:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

5. If patents are listed above, can you provide due diligence they do not infringe on any other parties rights?

Yes - ________________________________________________________________________
No - ________________________________________________________________________

6. Please describe any current or pending litigation, decrees, judicial proceedings or judgments of courts related to the entities, corporate or personal, having interest in the Assets listed above:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
7.How many personnel, doing what, are required to support the Assets listed above on a weekly basis:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

8.If / when the Assets above are sold, how would you foresee the transition process and what if any of the above personnel would contribute to the transition:

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________


9.The monthly gross revenue produced by the Assets above consist of an average of

$_______________ .

10.The monthly net revenue produced by the Assets above consist of an average of

$_______________ .

11.The revenue amounts provided above are verified specifically by *********************_____________________________________________________________, yet it should be

known that: ___________________________________________________________________.

12.It is also important to know that: ________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

Additional descriptions of items above and supporting documents may be added to this Addendum and become one and part of the whole.

This document is completed by one of the owners representing all owners of the Assets described above and the information provided is true and accurate to the best of my ability.

As owner this is submitted by:

Signed: __________________________________
Title: ____________________________________
Printed Name: ____________________________
Company: _______________________________
Date: ___________________________________
 
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mis_chiff said:
Does someone have a copy of the updated terms?

I always thought if your names were not accepted
to the Live/Silent auction, you could request removal
of the submissions in writing...did that change?
Yeah I think within 15 days or (according to their contract), they keep the rights to sell the name for 2 years.

I don't think the Opt-out clause would hold up in a court honestly...especially considering several other recent high profile opt-out cases that went in the favor of the plaintiffs...but I understand them wanting to protect from drop outs within a short time of auction. This goes so far beyond anything reasonable its not even funny.

Pseudo-Mod: It is a contract because you have to sign and return it. Well... its a legal contract until they piss someone off enough to take them to court over parts of the contract. Only then will it truly be tested. That or they decide to be reasonable to the domain owners and adjust the outrageous components themselves (and based on Monty's responses - trying to compare himself to Christies or Sothesbys - I doubt it will without court intervention).
 
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Okay, I was replying with the marketplace auction on my mind. You're talking about the live auction. That's a whole 'nother view for me! :ghost:
 
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Pseudo - when you submit names for a live auction you have to sign a contract. After you have signed the contract they let you know if your names have been accepted or not, but the contract appears to refer to all the names even if they don't accept them into the auction !
 
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advaita said:
Pseudo - when you submit names for a live auction you have to sign a contract. After you have signed the contract they let you know if your names have been accepted or not, but the contract appears to refer to all the names even if they don't accept them into the auction !

That does'nt sound right, are you sure ?



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Does agreeing to the T&C's on the website become a legally binding or do you still need to sign a contract for the auctions before it becomes binding ?
 
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Gazzap - that's my reading of the clause - with which others have agreed and so far no-one fom Moniker has contradicted it
 
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ginggang said:
Does agreeing to the T&C's on the website become a legally binding or do you still need to sign a contract for the auctions before it becomes binding ?

It has been upheld in court many times over... clicking "I agree" holds as much weight usually as a signature from what I have heard about legal cases over that.

Gazzip: that is correct. As I have said before I don't think that would hold up in a court, but that is the way they have worded it.
 
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MaguirePhD said:
The contact is restrictive, yes.

Sometimes responses are a little slow.

But I have a good guy down there, Peter Brooks, whom I have spoken with and e-mailed and received responses.

And not some silly response to just put you off.

I can't speak for the rest of them down there but this guy is making them look good.

Doc


Wow. You've had a totally different experience than me with Brooks. I finally had to go around him to get help and when I did, his co-worker didn't have very good things to say about him.

This thread and Moniker's response to it has been enlightening. I've decided to move my domains out of Moniker and will encourage others to do the same. My portfolio only makes them $4-4.5 K in renewals but I'd rather give the money to someone else.

Goodbye Moniker.
 
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Vincente said:
Wow. You've had a totally different experience than me with Brooks. I finally had to go around him to get help and when I did, his co-worker didn't have very good things to say about him.

This thread and Moniker's response to it has been enlightening. I've decided to move my domains out of Moniker and will encourage others to do the same. My portfolio only makes them $4-4.5 K in renewals but I'd rather give the money to someone else.

Goodbye Moniker.

This is the only thing that will make them pay attention (since they obviously don't give a rats behind about their customers' complaints here). Nothing will change with such a bullheaded company until their pocketbook suddenly gets smaller.
 
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advaita said:
but the contract appears to refer to all the names even if they don't accept them into the auction !

I haven't noticed that yet.
 
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There needs to be an easier way to buy and sell domains safely. If someone can come up with a way they will be rich. Godaddy's after market doesnt seem very active nor has top value domains. If anyone can make a great market you would think it's them. Between contract agreements to sell and worries of getting paid and being lost among piles of domains, it seems overwhelming, and is why many dont want to buy and sell.
 
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InternetMoney said:
There needs to be an easier way to buy and sell domains safely.
Sure there is. Go to Sedo and buy or sell your domain name there, but they're
not going to sue the buyer or seller for you if they don't fulfill their end of the
agreement.

Is that safe enough?
 
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Go to Sedo and buy or sell your domain name there, but they're
not going to sue the buyer or seller for you if they don't fulfill their end of the
agreement.
It would be interesting to see a complete list of domains sold through Moniker auctions that fell through because of the buyer or seller....and compare that list of domains to one that shows which domains Moniker has successfully pursued via lawsuit.
 
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verbster said:
It would be interesting to see a complete list of domains sold through Moniker auctions that fell through because of the buyer or seller....and compare that list of domains to one that shows which domains Moniker has successfully pursued via lawsuit.
I agree. So far there doesn't seem to be any, so it's arguably working? :D
 
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So far there doesn't seem to be any, so it's arguably working?
Or it isn't working at all...if there were a long list of successful suits published against non-payers, that would be a major deterrent to defaults and scams...as there isn't one, it would seem to indicate the opposite.
 
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I submitted domains for the 2 upcoming auctions and saw a few were selected.

Is there no personal email confirmation? Since I sent it a list of over 300, I don't want to individually look through the entire auction listing to find out which are mine.

I called the customer service and the guy was a complete ##$%#

So far, I have received nothing but horrible service :|
 
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You may not want to, but you better if you want to cover your butt...
 
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Can someone explain how the process works?

Will they finally contact me if it is sold?

And Should I transfer the chosen domains over from godaddy to moniker ASAP?

Thanks.
 
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They prefer you transfer them to moniker to facilitate the auction process and transfer to the winner, however I don't believe its mandatory. Should they be sold, they would be utterly foolish not to tell you if they want their money and the buyer wants his/her domain(s)... I haven't actually been in an auction so I can't say for sure but it would be ridiculous for them not to.
 
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Some Info:

If you had some domain names accepted into an upcoming Moniker's auction, you should use your SnapNames account.

Log-in > My Account> Seller Dashboard> Account Overview...Your Domain Name Sales

I did receive an email that my names were accepted.

I submitted approx. 30 names....only had approx. 10 domains registered at Monikers and they picked 3 for auction.

I asked about the other 20 because they weren't at Monikers and it seems they like them to be at their register...which I understand.

Thanks,
paul
 
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I submitted approx. 30 names....only had approx. 10 domains registered at Monikers and they picked 3 for auction.

I asked about the other 20 because they weren't at Monikers and it seems they like them to be at their register...which I understand.

I wonder if it also works if your domains are reg'd at SnapNames.
 
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mozzeratti said:
I agree with this. It seems to give a domain registrant a minimal window or opportunity before thrusting them back into the contract...
by design, I'm sure.

I wonder how much they've collected using this tactic.

The contract should EXPIRE naturally without the need for explicit cancellation on the part of the registrant.
It shouldn't be set up so that one has to opt out.
The renewal should be what one opts into, in writing, and not by default!
Also the two year 2 year bit...that's just :td:
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The funny thing is after my domains did not sell, I asked my Moniker rep about whether my domains will automatically be added to the next auction and whether I can lower the prices.

His reply: No, you have to resubmit them.

well, ok, then. I consider them expired.
 
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If you haven't told them within x days that you are out of the contract, the contract says they have rights to sell the names for 2 years...whether that would hold up in court well thats another story.
 
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RoyalRyan said:
best registrar...
Uh... if that was sarcasm, its not apparent ;)
 
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