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We really need to start and keep a thread on each of the big domain auction sites since some are good and some are bad.

Take a peak at the Moniker Auction contract they want you to sign. I own importationdotcom and wanted to list it with them but after reading the contract I was blown away.

EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT

THIS EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT (this “Agreement”) is entered into this ____ day of _____****____, 2008, by and between __________________ (hereinafter referred to as “Seller”), and DomainSystems, Inc, a Florida corporation (hereinafter referred to as “Buyer/Seller Agent”) (Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent each a “Party” and may be collectively referred to as the “Parties”).

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Seller to grant to Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Internet domain names, assets or web sites listed on one or more of the ADDENDA hereto (the “Name or Names”), in accordance with the terms and conditions contained herein; and,

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Buyer/Seller Agent to use its commercially reasonable efforts to secure purchasers to purchase the Names in accordance with the terms and conditions contained herein; and,

NOW THEREFORE, the Parties do hereby agree as follows:

TERM OF THE AGREEMENT: Seller grants Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Name(s) for one hundred and twenty (120) calendar days from the date of submitting/declaring one of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA to this Agreement or sixty (60) days from the conclusion of any auction or private sale taking place after the submission/declaring of the Name(s) on the ADDENDA, whichever occurs later (the “Exclusive Sale Period”). The ADDENDA to this Agreement shall consist of, but are not limited to, those items submitted by Seller for selection and acceptance by Buyer/Seller Agent to secure purchasers. This exclusive right and authority to sell period will automatically renew at the end of each term unless Buyer/Seller Agent is notified by Seller in writing within 15 days of expiration that Seller is terminating the Agreement.

Once a Name is submitted by Seller, whether by ADDENDA or otherwise, the Name becomes subject to this Agreement, whether or not Seller is notified that the Name has been selected for the auction or private sale. If, however, Buyer/Seller Agent notifies Seller that a Name has not been selected for auction or private sale, Seller will be permitted to withdraw the Name from submission.

EXCLUSIVITY: During the Exclusive Sale Period, Seller agrees not to use, appoint or engage any person or entity other than Buyer/Seller Agent to act as its agent, sales representative or in a similar capacity with respect to the Names during the term of this Agreement. In the event that Seller sells or markets the Names directly to a buyer or through any person or entity other than Buyer/Seller Agent during the term of this Agreement, Buyer/Seller Agent shall be entitled to receive the Fee (as hereinafter defined).

NON CIRCUMVENTION: In addition to any other rights Buyer/Seller Agent may have, during the term of this Agreement and for a period of two (2) years following the termination of this Agreement, Seller shall not, directly or indirectly:

a.Make contact or attempt to make contact, solicit or attempt to solicit, negotiate
or attempt to negotiate, enter into or attempt to enter into any agreement, and/or transact or attempt to transact any business with any potential purchaser (or such purchaser’s attorneys, agents (other than Moniker), representatives, employees, officers, directors, principals, owners, shareholders, members, managers or any person or entity that is connected, directly or indirectly, with such purchaser) procured by or introduced to Seller by Moniker, except to the extent such contact is through, or with the prior written consent of, Moniker; and

b.Commit any other acts, directly or indirectly, which would affect in any way
whatsoever, circumvent the restrictive covenant stated in subparagraph 3(a) immediately above.

c.In the event that Seller violates the provisions of Section 3(a) or (b), Buyer/Seller
Agent shall be entitled to receive the Fee (as hereinafter defined).

BUYER/SELLER AGENT COMPENSATION:

a. Seller agrees to pay Buyer/Seller Agent a fee for each or any Name sold (the “Fee”) equal to fifteen percent (15%) of the Total Sales Price of such Name that meets or exceeds the agreed upon reserve. Buyer/Seller Agent shall not be authorized to consummate the sale of a Name on Seller’s behalf unless and until Seller has given its written consent to the proposed Total Sales Price for such Name if the reserve price has not been met. Seller understands that Buyer/Seller Agent actually purchases the domain from Seller and then resells the domain/s to the buyer through the sales and auction process.

b. Seller agrees that Buyer/Seller Agent may purchase a Name from Seller during the Exclusive Sale Period in an effort to consummate a sale with another party (For creative financing, special term sales, etc). DomainSystems, Inc./ Moniker.com does become the owner of each domain name in the sales and change of ownership process and through escrow. The Buyer/Seller Agent will not be a bidder at an auction.

c. For purposes hereof, “Total Sales Price” means the sum of the cash and value of any other consideration that a buyer has agreed to pay for the Name, excluding any escrow or finders fee paid by Buyer (as hereinafter defined).

d. The Fee with respect to each sale of a Name consummated during the Exclusive Sale Period shall be paid by Seller to Buyer/Seller Agent (by wire transfer from funds in escrow account).

e. The Buyer/Seller Agent shall have no obligation to deliver any transfer documents until Buyer/Seller Agent has received payment of the required Fee.

5. ERRONEOUS SUBMISSIONS BY SELLER: If Seller erroneously submits a domain to Buyer/Seller hereunder which Seller does not, in fact, own or otherwise have the right to sell, and such error is not discovered prior to the sale of the name by Buyer/Seller Agent, Seller shall nonetheless be responsible to Buyer/Seller Agent for payment of the commission hereunder.

6.REIMBURSEMENT OF COSTS: Buyer/Seller Agent shall bear all costs and expenses incurred by it in connection with the performance of its duties hereunder; provided, however, that Seller shall reimburse Buyer/Seller Agent for any reasonable travel expenses that are expressly pre-approved by Seller in writing and thereafter incurred by Buyer/Seller Agent to attend meetings at Seller’s request.
BUYER/SELLER AGENT RESPONSIBILITIES: Buyer/Seller Agent agrees to use commercially reasonable efforts to secure buyers for the Names during the Exclusive Sale Period. During the Exclusive Sale Period, Buyer/Seller Agent may conduct an auction or private/public sale of the Name via the Internet or other reasonable means. Buyer/Seller Agent agrees that its responsibilities shall be performed in a diligent, competent and professional manner. Seller acknowledges and agrees that this Agreement does not require Buyer/Seller Agent to render services solely to Seller or to devote Buyer/Seller Agent’s entire business time and effort to the performance of its duties hereunder. During the Exclusive Sale Period, Buyer/Seller Agent shall have the right to act as a sales representative, distributor and/or marketing agent for persons and entities other than Seller, including, without limitation, persons and entities who are or who may be in competition with Seller.

SELLER RESPONSIBILITIES: Seller agrees to do the following during the Exclusive Sales Period:

a. Refer all previous, pending and future inquires from brokers, Buyer/Seller Agents, purchasers or others interested in the Names to Buyer/Seller Agent;

b. Provide Buyer/Seller Agent with complete and accurate information regarding Seller and the Names promptly upon request by Buyer/Seller Agent;

c. Assist Buyer/Seller Agent in the marketing and sale of the Name as may reasonably be requested (such assistance shall be at Buyer/Seller Agent’s sole expense unless Seller provides express written authorization in advance); and

d. Provide to Buyer/Seller Agent such other information and data as Buyer/Seller Agent may reasonably request from time to time in order to permit Buyer/Seller Agent to perform its duties hereunder.

REPRESENTATIONS OF SELLER: Seller represents and warrants to Buyer/Seller Agent that it (i) has the authority to enter into this Agreement and (ii) possesses, and has the authority to transfer, good, valid and marketable title to the Name(s). Seller further warrants and represents to Buyer/Seller Agent that: 1) Seller is the sole owner of all right, title and interest in the Name(s); 2) the Name(s) are/is being transferred to Buyer/Seller Agent free of any liens, encumbrances, restrictions, licenses, or security interests; 3) Seller properly purchased and registered the Name(s) without committing fraud or misrepresentation; 4) the Name(s) do/does not infringe the rights of any third party; and 5) the Name(s) have/has not been, and are/is not currently the subject of any litigation, claims, arbitration or other legal proceeding, either pending, contemplated or threatened, nor has Seller received any notice of any such pending items.

ESCROW: Except as otherwise agreed to in a writing signed by both parties, the contemplated purchase and sale of any Name(s) hereunder shall take place pursuant to Buyer/Seller Agent’s escrow procedures set forth in the terms and conditions contained on Buyer/Seller Agent’s website (which are incorporated herein), as amended from time to time.

INDEMNIFICATION: Seller hereby agrees to indemnify and hold harmless Buyer/Seller Agent, its officers, directors, shareholders, employees and agents, from and against any and all loss, damage, liability or expense (including reasonable attorneys’ fees and costs), to which they may be put or which they may incur by reason of, or in connection with, any misrepresentation made by Seller, any breach of any of warranties by Seller, Seller’s failure to fulfill any of its covenants or obligations under this Agreement, or any trademark, copyright or patent infringement arising out of or relating to the Name(s), or in any way arising out of Buyer/Seller Agent’s being a party to, or Buyer/Seller Agent’s performance of, this Agreement, other than through Buyer/Seller Agent’s gross negligence or willful misconduct. The foregoing obligation shall exist only if Buyer/Seller Agent (i) promptly notifies Seller of such claim, (ii) provides Seller with reasonable information, assistance and cooperation in defending the lawsuit or proceeding and (iii) gives Seller exclusive control and sole authority over the defense and settlement of such claim.

JOINT MATERIALS: The Parties agree that all marketing materials developed in connection with the services performed by Buyer/Seller Agent hereunder shall be the joint property of Buyer/Seller Agent and Seller and neither party shall use such materials after the Exclusive Sale Period without the prior written approval of the other Party.

RELATIONSHIP OF THE PARTIES; REPORTING OF INCOME. Buyer/Seller Agent is retained hereunder as an independent contractor and nothing herein contained shall create an employer/employee, principal/agent, partnership or joint venture relationship between the Parties. The Parties agree that Buyer/Seller Agent shall include all compensation it receives hereunder in its own books or account for inclusion on its own applicable tax return, that Buyer/Seller Agent shall be responsible for payment of all income and employment taxes thereon, and that such compensation will not be subject to any offset, employee payroll taxes or other deduction.

CONFIDENTIALITY: Each Party agrees that it shall not disclose the terms of this Agreement to any person or persons except as required by applicable law or compelled by a court of competent jurisdiction. Notwithstanding the foregoing, this Section 12 shall not apply to disclosures made by a Party to its agents, employees and advisors to whom such disclosure is necessary in order to perform pursuant to this Agreement.

ATTORNEY’S FEES AND COSTS: In connection with any litigation arising out of this Agreement, the prevailing party, whether Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent, shall be entitled to recover all costs incurred, including reasonable attorney’s fees, for services rendered in connection with such litigation, including appellate proceedings and post-judgment proceedings.
DISCLOSURES: Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent specifically acknowledge and understand that if either Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent knows of facts materially affecting the value of the Name(s), whether said facts are readily observable or not, Seller or Buyer/Seller Agent, as applicable, shall disclose these facts to the other Party.

NOTICES: Any notice required or permitted to be delivered pursuant to this Agreement must be delivered by facsimile, U.S. Mail, certified or registered mail, or overnight courier, and addressed as set forth below the signature line of the Party to whom notice is being given, or to such other address as the Parties may from time to time designate by notice in writing to the other Party.

GOVERNING LAW: This Agreement shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the State of Florida, without respect to its conflict of laws provisions. Venue for any litigation arising under, or in connection with, this Agreement shall be in Miami-Dade County, Florida.

ENTIRE AGREEMENT: This Agreement constitutes and represents the entire agreement between the Parties and supersedes any prior understandings or agreements, written or oral, between the Parties respecting the subject matter of this Agreement. This Agreement may be amended, supplemented or modified only upon an agreement in writing executed by all of the Parties. This Agreement shall inure to the benefit of and shall be binding upon the Parties and their respective successors and assigns. If any provision of this Agreement shall be determined to be invalid, void or illegal, such provision shall be construed and amended in a manner which would permit its enforcement, but in no event shall such provision affect, impair or invalidate any other provision in this Agreement.
Headings For Convenience: As used in this Agreement, captions and paragraph headings are provided solely for convenience and shall not be deemed to restrict, limit or interpret the meaning of the text.

COUNTERPARTS: This Agreement may be executed in one or more counterparts, each of which shall be deemed an original, but all of which together shall constitute one and the same instrument. Photocopies, signatures reproduced by mechanical, digital or other means, and/or facsimile transmittal signature pages may be used instead of originals.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned have set their hands and seals on the date first written above.

SELLER:
By:
Name:
Title:
Moniker Account #:
Email:
Phone:
Fax:

Address:
BUYER/SELLER AGENT:
DOMAINSYSTEMS, INC.
By:
Name: Monte Cahn
Title President/CEO
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 954-984-8445
Fax: 954-969-9155
Address: 20 SW 27th Ave.
Pompano Beach, FL 33069


ADDENDUM TO EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT
Declaration / DESCRIPTION Of Assets (if applicable)

My Moniker.com Account Number is:____________


THIS IS AN ADDENDUM TO EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL AGREEMENT (this “Agreement”) is entered into this ___ day of _______, 2008, by and between _____________________ (hereinafter referred to as “Seller”), and DomainSystems, Inc, a Florida corporation (hereinafter referred to as “Buyer/Seller Agent”) (Seller and Buyer/Seller Agent each a “Party” and may be collectively referred to as the “Parties”) whereas, it is the desire of Seller to grant to Buyer/Seller Agent the exclusive right and authority to sell the Internet domain names, assets, or web sites listed hereto of which additional items may be added. This ADDENDUM represents the declaration and description of assets as described hereto.

1.Assets – Tangible:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________
1. Assets – Intangible:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

2. The liens and or encumbrances and or options to purchase Assets described above consist of:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

3. Please list all of the owners of the Assets described above?

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

4. Documents of title ownership / leans, such as a UCC filing, are filed in the facility listed below on the date listed below:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

5. If patents are listed above, can you provide due diligence they do not infringe on any other parties rights?

Yes - ________________________________________________________________________
No - ________________________________________________________________________

6. Please describe any current or pending litigation, decrees, judicial proceedings or judgments of courts related to the entities, corporate or personal, having interest in the Assets listed above:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
7.How many personnel, doing what, are required to support the Assets listed above on a weekly basis:

A. ________________________________________________________________________
B. ________________________________________________________________________
C. ________________________________________________________________________
D. ________________________________________________________________________

8.If / when the Assets above are sold, how would you foresee the transition process and what if any of the above personnel would contribute to the transition:

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________


9.The monthly gross revenue produced by the Assets above consist of an average of

$_______________ .

10.The monthly net revenue produced by the Assets above consist of an average of

$_______________ .

11.The revenue amounts provided above are verified specifically by *********************_____________________________________________________________, yet it should be

known that: ___________________________________________________________________.

12.It is also important to know that: ________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________________

Additional descriptions of items above and supporting documents may be added to this Addendum and become one and part of the whole.

This document is completed by one of the owners representing all owners of the Assets described above and the information provided is true and accurate to the best of my ability.

As owner this is submitted by:

Signed: __________________________________
Title: ____________________________________
Printed Name: ____________________________
Company: _______________________________
Date: ___________________________________
 
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The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
They seem to drag their feet and don't get right back to you. But somehow, they got two of these clunkers in the auction.

I don't get it.

Doc
 
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but....and maybe i missed it....contracts are built to serve a purpose. maybe we can have a thread along the lines of .."People that have been taken advantage of by contracts" or something like that. i have signed that moniker contract before, and i have gotten what i expected from my domains, and not gotten burned...not yet anyway...
but thanks for starting a topic mate..
meongtae
 
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I confess to not having read through all 8 pages of comments in this thread, but does anyone know of an actual instance in which Moniker has gone after a domainer who listed a domain with them (say, for an auction), and later, when the domain failed to sell at the auction, sold it on another forum? I would be interested in hearing of any such cases.

I agree that the contract language is harsh, and I agree it should be changed to favor the buyer more (especially the opt-out terms). But what I'm asking is whether anyone knows of a case where Moniker actually went after a domainer based on this contract for a sale that took place entirely outside of the Moniker system after a domain failed to sell at auction and was not listed for sale on the Moniker site. (Obviously they could, but HAVE they?)

The legal fees clause (prevailing party pays legal fees for both sides) is actually a bonus in my book, because it provides a disincentive for frivolous suits that are just designed to extort money from a party through legal harassment.
 
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Restrictive, yes

The contact is restrictive, yes.

Sometimes responses are a little slow.

But I have a good guy down there, Peter Brooks, whom I have spoken with and e-mailed and received responses.

And not some silly response to just put you off.

I can't speak for the rest of them down there but this guy is making them look good.

Doc
 
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yes we have enforced our agreement on both sides before. our terms are standard and you should all read Christies and Sotheby's agreements if you want to see a doozy. Folks, remember we are market makers and inventing the domain auction industry with each auction. You will see great products, services, and integration between snapnames and moniker very soon. There will always be changes both to process and terms.

If you are not interested in participating based on the terms of service, then do not as we are not forcing anyone to participate. I think we have already proven our position and place in the industry and have ALWAYS been fair on all sides.

If you have specific legal or agreement questions, just email [email protected].

Thanks,
 
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mcahn said:
... you should all read Christies and Sotheby's agreements if you want to see a doozy.


This Christies/Sotheby's line seems to be your standard refrain. It's a little embarrassing. You should drop it.

It's like a guy saying to his wife, "You think I beat you?" You're lucky you're not married to Bob. He beats his wife with a closed fist."

Just a little advice.
 
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embarrassing? not at all - it's an example of similarity of markets and terms in which you are complaining about.

That's quite an example you just gave though....thanks for the advice
 
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mcahn said:
...Folks, remember we are market makers and inventing the domain auction industry with each auction...
I guess the good news with this is that as the domain auction market matures and other groups discover what a lucrative field it is, we'll see an increase in competition which should result in better terms (at least to a degree) for the domain owner - assuming no collusion between the the primary players (an issue with Christies & Sotheby's a few years back).

Trevor, interesting analogy there... A little twisted, but pretty spot on in my opinion.

My grandfather used to say, "Just because you have the capability of doing something doesn't make it right to do so or mean you should."
 
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Monte,
i dont think we can compare Christies and Sotheby's worldwide recognizition with any of domain auctions including Moniker's.
If you ask 100 people here in Greece if they know Christies auctions u ll get 5-10 "yes" answers, if u ask the same think about domain auctions like Moniker then believe me u get 0 "yes", you cant beat that so u cant compare in any way those kind of auctions.(in more advanced countries like USA or Germany u ll get a bigger difference of those "yes")
 
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on!SPOT said:
Monte,
i dont think we can compare Christies and Sotheby's worldwide recognizition with any of domain auctions including Moniker's...

There are a lot of options for sellling a domain now but few of them bring as many important buyers together in one place.
 
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true, i m not saying that though
Christie's offer a greater cahnce to sell, you cant compare this
 
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on!SPOT said:
true, i m not saying that though
Christie's offer a greater cahnce to sell, you cant compare this

I think your comparing apples to oranges. On other hand, when that contract was written Moniker was the market leader. I don't think that's true anymore.

With companies like Sedo and Bido sponsoring auctions, I wonder Moniker would rank in money earned and domains sold.
 
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tres i m not the one comparing, Monte did
plz save both free time and read some posts before

i think we r saying the same damn thing...
 
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Moniker

Just a short note for this thread.

We only have to look at the sales to see that the Paris auction did not bode well for Moniker (or me either, as I had two with high opening bids that got no action) but it could be a result of a really bad economy (the U.S. stock market dropped nearly 420 in the last regular day and the extension day of the auction). Or it could be that Moniker and SnapNames are integrating and finding their way through a little experimentation that needs to be tweaked.

Who really knows?

Now, this fellow Monte who runs the show, I don't know him, have never met him and am sure, I never will. But he had the guts to show up in this forum and respond and for that alone, he deserves a play.

So, maybe we shouldn't be putting the boots to this guy...just yet.

Doc
 
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Change doesn't happen without "putting the boots" to them, as you say. Right now the terms are just about, if not completely one-sided, enough so that now that this has been brought to light, I suspect their auctions may suffer more than the Paris auction. Without a doubt, now that people are looking, many, not all of coarse, will look elsewhere to a better playing field. Without pressure that will not change.

It would be interesting to know if or how far the christies and sothesbys terms have been legally tested... I'm sure there has been some testing, just how much though?

The art of domain auctions is still relatively new (in the public auction style)... and as others have pointed out, there will be competition that will require the current "top dawg" to look at its terms again because the competitors will eventually start taking business by offering more fair terms. Or one would hope at least.
 
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flamewalker

I agree it is a one-sided contract but I think we all want as much advantage as we can in any business deal.

I see them as necessary because I don't have the time to be hawking domains or listing them on Sedo or other places. If nothing else, they listed two of my mine for a big number at the Paris deal.

Didn't get bought but that is life. As least they had me in play with more exposure than i would have gotten with me at the helm.

Sure, there are other places and maybe a little competition will force some changes in this, as you stated, new industry of domain auctions.

I wish everyone the best of success at selling their domains but I will hang in with Moniker because I just don't see anyone out there as proactive as them.

Doc
 
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Righttttttttttttttttt

MaguirePhD said:
The contact is restrictive, yes.

Sometimes responses are a little slow.

But I have a good guy down there, Peter Brooks, whom I have spoken with and e-mailed and received responses.

And not some silly response to just put you off.

I can't speak for the rest of them down there but this guy is making them look good.

Doc

Right...........there must be 2 of him then. Because the one I dealt with told me those were the terms take it or leave it.

mcahn said:
yes we have enforced our agreement on both sides before. our terms are standard and you should all read Christies and Sotheby's agreements if you want to see a doozy. Folks, remember we are market makers and inventing the domain auction industry with each auction. You will see great products, services, and integration between snapnames and moniker very soon. There will always be changes both to process and terms.

If you are not interested in participating based on the terms of service, then do not as we are not forcing anyone to participate. I think we have already proven our position and place in the industry and have ALWAYS been fair on all sides.

If you have specific legal or agreement questions, just email [email protected].



Thanks,


You keep coming back to tell all the people here that agree that your terms are outrageous that we don't have to participate. Are you hard headed in all aspects of your life Monte? I mean even a dog will stop biting his owner if the owner stops feeding him.

trevor said:
This Christies/Sotheby's line seems to be your standard refrain. It's a little embarrassing. You should drop it.

It's like a guy saying to his wife, "You think I beat you?" You're lucky you're not married to Bob. He beats his wife with a closed fist."

Just a little advice.


Thank you for saving me the effort to remind Monte. Earlier posts showed that his assertions are false.

He is assuming that new readers won't go back and read all the posts. Further proof of his lack of ethics.

MaguirePhD said:
Just a short note for this thread.

We only have to look at the sales to see that the Paris auction did not bode well for Moniker (or me either, as I had two with high opening bids that got no action) but it could be a result of a really bad economy (the U.S. stock market dropped nearly 420 in the last regular day and the extension day of the auction). Or it could be that Moniker and SnapNames are integrating and finding their way through a little experimentation that needs to be tweaked.

Who really knows?

Now, this fellow Monte who runs the show, I don't know him, have never met him and am sure, I never will. But he had the guts to show up in this forum and respond and for that alone, he deserves a play.

So, maybe we shouldn't be putting the boots to this guy...just yet.

Doc

Right, I would give him as much credit as the Blossoming Tulip garden owner who sees a manure spreader coming right at his beautiful garden.
 
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Would have to agree with comments with regards to the general market and so called credit crunch, the results from Paris were below par, and again if the end user is there they will pay what they want to pay, but i have to agree that a contract is there for a reason, to protect. Yes some of the terms are really strict, has really put me off sending some to auction with them.

As for someone selling elsewhere is a name fails to sell at auction, only time will tell on that one, some of the names at PARIS only sold for $300-$100, would moniker really chase someone if they only thought their name was worth a figure close to the above?

I would be interested to know if anyone can help what the % is of names entered to names sold and if they is a pattern, ie more sold in PARIS compared to FLORIDA-VEGAS-NEW YORK auctions.
 
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But, it is a real estate contract...

But I know what you mean, thing is, you must sign it or name won't go in auction(s)
 
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Charley said:
This is the problem. I never read them, just agree, sign and send the names.
+1

EVERY place of business we use online or off is has a term and conditions. By our use of the services, we are not contesting those terms and conditions and are, in fact, in automatic aggreement with them. It finally hit me with this post that when I see people losing money with chargebacks, theft or scam and no one is willing to help, the site/business owner is covered by the contact/terms and conditions. Of course there are exceptions, but it seriously just hit me.


It's just like site security. It's not that we don't care, it's just that we are uneducated and ignorant, until we experience it.

Amazing observation! I was going to add a few names to SES San Jose. As lowball as Sedo is, I'll stick to them. Thanks!
 
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What I would like to know is this - if I submit a name that is not accepted it seems to me from the contract terms that just by submitting the name I give Moniker exclusive rights to get a percentage if I sell it elsewhere, even though they rejected it. Is that the case or have I misread the clause ?
I don't believe any auction house in the 'real world' gets rights to a percentage of any object you submit and which they refuse to auction.
 
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advaita said:
What I would like to know is this - if I submit a name that is not accepted it seems to me from the contract terms that just by submitting the name I give Moniker exclusive rights to get a percentage if I sell it elsewhere, even though they rejected it. Is that the case or have I misread the clause ?
I don't believe any auction house in the 'real world' gets rights to a percentage of any object you submit and which they refuse to auction.

That's what it looks like to me... Although I highly doubt that would hold up in court.
 
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Glad to see you agree FW and that I am not alone in my interpretation - it sounds absolutely outrageous - but I won't be submitting any names and taking the risk - I've got better things to do than to fight court cases
 
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Does someone have a copy of the updated terms?

I always thought if your names were not accepted
to the Live/Silent auction, you could request removal
of the submissions in writing...did that change?
 
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I've had this post on my mind all day and this is what I've been thinking: How in the hell is the contract binding when they never physically gain possession of my signature or domain?

I'll ask my lawyer, but wouldn't a consignment require a signature? Take Paypal for instance. Paypal knows that my bank has my signature agreeing to mastercard terms. Paypay> Mastercard > Bank. So when I bid or sell on eBay I am bound to those terms.

Moniker just has my word, so I'm thinking this "contract" is just a scare tactic. How are the agreements filed and if they did take legal action, how can they justify the unreasonable agreement terms?

Most of the domains at Moniker are grossly over-priced, even during an economical nosedive, and they will lose loyal, high profile domain buyers if owners change their mind at the last minute for whatever reason.

This contract speaks to me in circles and I can't take it seriously.
 
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