question Redemption:Current registrar vs Icann rules. Which applies to deleting domains?

[WhoaDomain.com]

ok so spoke to the receiving registrar of my domains I started transfer to. they dropped the ball on it.

they tell me domains don't delete until 65 days from icann.

but I know current registrar (godaddy) is 42 days.

but if auth codes would submitted today on the 41st day? will I go into redemption?
or does submitting auth codes technically "stop the clock" on that?

tried to talk to agent at receiving registrar but he didn't get what I meant by "stop the clock".

my concern obviously is the $80 redemption.

I mean does Icann consider once auth codes are submitted that even if the process of transfer takes 5-7 business days from point of submitting auth codes that it will "let it slide"?

or is 42 days 42 days?

I suspect already thee answer is 42 days is 42 days and submitting your auth codes prior to 42 doesn't matter especially if that 5-7 days overlaps the 42th day into redemption.


these agents don't seem to know.

 

[RevolutionaryDomains]

ok so spoke to the receiving registrar of my domains I started transfer to. they dropped the ball on it.

they tell me domains don't delete until 65 days from icann.

but I know current registrar (godaddy) is 42 days.

but if auth codes would submitted today on the 41st day? will I go into redemption?
or does submitting auth codes technically "stop the clock" on that?

tried to talk to agent at receiving registrar but he didn't get what I meant by "stop the clock".

my concern obviously is the $80 redemption.

I mean does Icann consider once auth codes are submitted that even if the process of transfer takes 5-7 business days from point of submitting auth codes that it will "let it slide"?

or is 42 days 42 days?

I suspect already thee answer is 42 days is 42 days and submitting your auth codes prior to 42 doesn't matter especially if that 5-7 days overlaps the 42th day into redemption.

these agents don't seem to know.

The below GD and ICANN info may help answer your questions.

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expired-2013-05-03-en

About Renewing an Expired Domain
If your domain name has expired, renew it immediately.
You should renew your domain name through the registrar (or reseller) that provided your domain name registration services.

Once your domain has expired, it will be in Auto-Renew Grace Period (for 0-45 days), followed by a 30-day Redemption Grace Period. At the end of the Redemption Grace Period, you will not be able to renew your domain name. Your domain name will be released for registration by third parties.

More information is available on ICANN's Life Cycle of a Typical gTLD Domain Name, Expired Registration Recovery Policy and Expired Domain Deletion Policy pages.


https://www.godaddy.com/help/what-happens-after-domain-names-expire-6700

What happens after domain names expire?
Once a domain name expires, it goes through many stages before being released to the open market. GoDaddy sends five renewal emails to the GoDaddy account owner prior to the expiration date. Below is a timeline based on .com domain names.

Note: These timelines do not apply to ccTLD domain names.

Days after expiration Action
Day 1 We make the first of three billing attempts to renew the domain name.
Day 5 We make the second billing attempt. If the billing fails on the day of, or auto renew fails, the domain name expires and is immediately set to parking. The domain can be renewed by the registrant at no extra cost.
Day 12 We make the third and final attempt to renew the domain name. The domain name can still be renewable by the registrant at no extra cost.
Day 19 The domain name can be renewed by the registrant for the cost of a one-year renewal plus an $80.00 redemption fee.
Day 26 We add the domain name to an expired domain name auction.
Day 36 The expired domain name auction ends. If there are no backorders and no bidders in the expired domain name auction, we list the domain name in a closeout auction.
Day 41 The closeout auction ends.
Day 43 We assign the domain name to the winner of the expired domain name auction, backorder, or closeout. If there are no bidders, we return the domain name to the registry.
Note: A registrant can renew an expired domain name at no extra cost up to day 18. If they renew an expired domain name anytime between day 19 and day 42, they must also pay an $80.00 redemption fee. The domain name might not be available for renewal after day 42.

 

[dr manos]

Redemption period starts at 40th-44th day depending on registrar
At redemption name can not be transferred out cos registrar has no control on it, need to pay an extra fee to recover the name.
65 days is the total lifecycle from icann 40 expiring + 30 redemption + 5 deletion = 75

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

The below GD and ICANN info may help answer your questions.

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expired-2013-05-03-en

About Renewing an Expired Domain
If your domain name has expired, renew it immediately.
You should renew your domain name through the registrar (or reseller) that provided your domain name registration services.

Once your domain has expired, it will be in Auto-Renew Grace Period (for 0-45 days), followed by a 30-day Redemption Grace Period. At the end of the Redemption Grace Period, you will not be able to renew your domain name. Your domain name will be released for registration by third parties.

More information is available on ICANN's Life Cycle of a Typical gTLD Domain Name, Expired Registration Recovery Policy and Expired Domain Deletion Policy pages.


https://www.godaddy.com/help/what-happens-after-domain-names-expire-6700

What happens after domain names expire?
Once a domain name expires, it goes through many stages before being released to the open market. GoDaddy sends five renewal emails to the GoDaddy account owner prior to the expiration date. Below is a timeline based on .com domain names.

Note: These timelines do not apply to ccTLD domain names.

Days after expiration Action
Day 1 We make the first of three billing attempts to renew the domain name.
Day 5 We make the second billing attempt. If the billing fails on the day of, or auto renew fails, the domain name expires and is immediately set to parking. The domain can be renewed by the registrant at no extra cost.
Day 12 We make the third and final attempt to renew the domain name. The domain name can still be renewable by the registrant at no extra cost.
Day 19 The domain name can be renewed by the registrant for the cost of a one-year renewal plus an $80.00 redemption fee.
Day 26 We add the domain name to an expired domain name auction.
Day 36 The expired domain name auction ends. If there are no backorders and no bidders in the expired domain name auction, we list the domain name in a closeout auction.
Day 41 The closeout auction ends.
Day 43 We assign the domain name to the winner of the expired domain name auction, backorder, or closeout. If there are no bidders, we return the domain name to the registry.
Note: A registrant can renew an expired domain name at no extra cost up to day 18. If they renew an expired domain name anytime between day 19 and day 42, they must also pay an $80.00 redemption fee. The domain name might not be available for renewal after day 42.

They already hit me with the $80 + $8.99 to keep it with them. luckily the receiving registrar owned up to their mistake and are giving me credits toward transfers to them in the amount I spent on redemption fees.
at least for the ones I properly submitted transfer orders.

Redemption period starts at 40th-44th day depending on registrar
At redemption name can not be transferred out cos registrar has no control on it, need to pay an extra fee to recover the name.
65 days is the total lifecycle from icann 40 expiring + 30 redemption + 5 deletion = 75

Thanks for that info.

I guess my concern is if I finally get the damn auth code request today?
and I submit the auth codes but tomorrow is the 42nd day

does that mean that's it? no more? can't do the transfer? since it takes about 5-7 days?

this is what I meant by does it "stop the clock" at least as far as not getting hit by the redemption fee tomorrow? I mean the transfer request should be in order today once I put in that auth code yes?

or does it not matter at that point since 42 days is 42 days?

I see that 45 days Revolutionary sent me.

but on the 42 day I already lost one domain to a backorder.

touche! backorder guy? cheeky bastard! lol

 

[korganian]

All you have to do for domains at Godaddy is start the transfer out before midnight on day 41 after expiration and the transfer will go through as long as you have received the transfer email from Godaddy. You do not need to pay any fee at all to Godaddy or anybody.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

All you have to do for domains at Godaddy is start the transfer out before midnight on day 41 after expiration and the transfer will go through as long as you have received the transfer email from Godaddy. You do not need to pay any fee at all to Godaddy or anybody.

I wish you was right but seems as though GoDaddy reseller I'm dealing with

On whois shows redemption already but in my expired list in my account shows recoverable.

What you say I think as this point is wrong or are these people messing with me?

Technically shouldn't I start transfer like 5-7 days before?

Or are you saying submitting auth codes on day 41 means it should go thru?

I'm skeptical.

If I submit the auth codes to receiving registrar's confirm email, they say still takes 5-7 days. If you do this on day 41 isn't that just 1 day till day 42?

Isn't 5-7 days past that? So naturally domain will go into redemption.

They sure don't make things easy.

 

[anantj]

The below GD and ICANN info may help answer your questions.

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expired-2013-05-03-en

About Renewing an Expired Domain
If your domain name has expired, renew it immediately.
You should renew your domain name through the registrar (or reseller) that provided your domain name registration services.

Once your domain has expired, it will be in Auto-Renew Grace Period (for 0-45 days), followed by a 30-day Redemption Grace Period. At the end of the Redemption Grace Period, you will not be able to renew your domain name. Your domain name will be released for registration by third parties.

More information is available on ICANN's Life Cycle of a Typical gTLD Domain Name, Expired Registration Recovery Policy and Expired Domain Deletion Policy pages.


https://www.godaddy.com/help/what-happens-after-domain-names-expire-6700

What happens after domain names expire?
Once a domain name expires, it goes through many stages before being released to the open market. GoDaddy sends five renewal emails to the GoDaddy account owner prior to the expiration date. Below is a timeline based on .com domain names.

Note: These timelines do not apply to ccTLD domain names.

Days after expiration Action
Day 1 We make the first of three billing attempts to renew the domain name.
Day 5 We make the second billing attempt. If the billing fails on the day of, or auto renew fails, the domain name expires and is immediately set to parking. The domain can be renewed by the registrant at no extra cost.
Day 12 We make the third and final attempt to renew the domain name. The domain name can still be renewable by the registrant at no extra cost.
Day 19 The domain name can be renewed by the registrant for the cost of a one-year renewal plus an $80.00 redemption fee.
Day 26 We add the domain name to an expired domain name auction.
Day 36 The expired domain name auction ends. If there are no backorders and no bidders in the expired domain name auction, we list the domain name in a closeout auction.
Day 41 The closeout auction ends.
Day 43 We assign the domain name to the winner of the expired domain name auction, backorder, or closeout. If there are no bidders, we return the domain name to the registry.
Note: A registrant can renew an expired domain name at no extra cost up to day 18. If they renew an expired domain name anytime between day 19 and day 42, they must also pay an $80.00 redemption fee. The domain name might not be available for renewal after day 42.

Is it legal/appropriate for a registrar to reduce the renewal grace period to less than 45 days as it is listed on the ICANN link above?