discuss The Environmental Thread - Earth Matters, so what's holding us back?

[Cannuck]

I believe everyone would agree on at least one point - planet Earth matters! For years, scholars and environmentalists have touted the idea - that the boundaries of life on our planet have been stretched to a breaking point by human activity. From a scientific perspective, the notion of climate change is no longer up for debate. Our species and life as it exists on planet Earth now depends on the choices we humans make. Each individual with a brain possesses the ability to contribute solutions to our common current dilemma, so what's holding us back?

Is it our lack of knowledge; a conflict of interest; the lack of will, and/or other priorities that define the human race? Do we possess the courage to take an initiative, to act upon our convictions and choose to help preserve the Blue planet? Have our environmental problems become too big for individuals to tackle that we must leave it for governments to handle?

Are we limited by our own self-interests, by the confines of our own box or bubble? Have we merely been caught up in our daily mundane existence, distracted by the media and current affairs, that we fail to consider the future? Is Climate Change simply a hoax? Is the human species destined to evolve or are we doomed to extinction?

Here is place to discuss any pertinent thoughts or ideas you may have on the subject. Every thought counts. Please be respectful.

 

[Cal2]

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A book - The Carbon Almanac - being promoted by favourite food for thought source Seth Godin:


The Carbon Almanac is a powerful tool to help us create change, right here and right now.

WHAT’S THIS ABOUT?​

It’s a source of reliable and easily understandable knowledge on climate change…that you can share to create meaningful impact.

https://thecarbonalmanac.org

 

[Cannuck]

The amount of carbon dioxide in our air is 0.04%.
For you climate crybabies who are no good at math,
let me explain that 0.04% is way less then 1%

For you climate denialists who don't understand science, CO2 is measured in ppm.

FYI, each part per million of CO2 in the atmosphere represents approximately 2.13 gigatonnes of carbon, or 7.82 gigatonnes of CO2. 1% atmospheric CO2 would equal ~10 000 ppm. Do the math, genius.

The Earth has not experienced this rate of increase in greenhouse gasses in over 800, 000 years!

Readings taken from ice core samples.

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicat...s-atmospheric-concentrations-greenhouse-gases

 

[dna]

For myself, your attempts at trying to come across as intelligent and clever are at best boring.

You can rest assured that no one will ever accuse you of trying to come across as intelligent or clever.

 

[Cannuck]

Does Kary Mullis understand science?

His peers said he knew little about molecular science, but he was good at synthesizing hallucinogenic drugs at Berkeley. He knew less about Climatology.

He has a Nobel Prize in Chemistry for developing PCR
He calls climate scientists "parasites with degrees."

That's because he was jealous when the company he worked for sold rights to the PCR test for $300M. They also said, “He’s the molecular biology equivalent of Donald Trump in terms of his personal behavior.”

But you don't have to call me "genius."
My IQ is only 139.

Okay gifted one, I'll make it simple for you: climate changes. The faster the change, the harder it is for nature to cope. We are part of nature, so if it goes down, nature takes us with it. Are you cool with that?

 

[Cannuck]

The Environmental Thread - Earth Matters, so what's holding us back?​

Right-wing media...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1176258897188966403

 

[dna]

Democrat starts massive fire that Democratic politicians initially blame on climate change.
AGAIN!!!

https://freebeacon.com/democrats/de...sive-fire-democrats-blamed-on-climate-change/

 

[dna]

There is too much carbon in the atmosphere and not enough beneath our feet.

Before we destroy the 0.04% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere,
which would kill all plant life on earth, and as a result would kill all
animal and human life on earth, shouldn't we wait to see if our senile president
starts a nuclear war with Russia. Maybe Joe Biden will do the job of destroying
humanity for you.

 

[Cannuck]

Arctic Ocean could be ice-free in summer by 2030s

Why this matters​

Arctic sea ice is an important component of the climate system. As it dramatically reduces the amount of sunlight absorbed by the ocean, removing this ice is predicted to further accelerate warming, through a process known as a positive feedback. This, in turn, will make the Greenland ice sheet melt faster, which is already a major contributor to sea level rise.

The loss of sea ice in summer would also mean changes in atmospheric circulation and storm tracks, and fundamental shifts in ocean biological activity.

Mechanisms and Impacts of Earth System Tipping Elements​

In recent years, discussions of climate change have shown growing interest in “tipping elements” of the Earth system, also imprecisely referred to as “tipping points.” This refers to Earth system components like the tropical rainforests of Amazonia or the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets which may exhibit large-scale, long-term changes upon reaching critical global warming, greenhouse gas, or other thresholds.

Once such thresholds are passed, some tipping elements could in turn produce additional greenhouse gas emissions or change the Earth's energy balance in ways that moderately reinforce warming. Overall, even considering remaining scientific uncertainties, tipping elements will influence future climate change and may involve major impacts on ecosystems, climate patterns, and the carbon cycle. Aggressive efforts to stabilize climate change could significantly reduce such impacts.

 

[Cal2]

How to Use AI to Talk to Whales—and Save Life on Earth​

With ecosystems in crisis, engineers and scientists are teaming up to decipher what animals are saying. Their hope: By truly listening to nature, humans will decide to protect it.

The idea of “decoding” animal communication is bold, maybe unbelievable, but a time of crisis calls for bold and unbelievable measures. Everywhere that humans are, which is everywhere, animals are vanishing. Wildlife populations across the planet have dropped an average of nearly 70 percent in the past 50 years, according to one estimate—and that’s just the portion of the crisis that scientists have measured. Thousands of species could disappear without humans knowing anything about them at all.

To decarbonize the economy and preserve ecosystems, we certainly don’t need to talk to animals. But the more we know about the lives of other creatures, the better we can care for those lives. And humans, being human, pay more attention to those who speak our language. The interaction that Earth Species wants to make possible, Fournet says, “helps a society that is disconnected from nature to reconnect with it.” The best technology gives humans a way to inhabit the world more fully. In that light, talking to animals could be its most natural application yet.

https://www.wired.com/story/use-ai-talk-to-whales-save-life-on-earth/

 

[Cal2]

Before we destroy the 0.04% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere,
which would kill all plant life on earth, and as a result would kill all
animal and human life on earth, shouldn't we wait to see if our senile president
starts a nuclear war with Russia. Maybe Joe Biden will do the job of destroying
humanity for you.

As Cannuck already told you:

@dna, you neither possess the knowledge, nor the wisdom, to engage in rational discourse...

For myself, your attempts at trying to come across as intelligent and clever are at best boring.

 

[Sutruk]

Elon Musk to offer $100 million prize for 'best' carbon capture tech

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/env...illion-prize-best-carbon-capture-tech-rcna234

"Tesla chief and billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk on Thursday took to Twitter to promise a $100 million prize for development of the “best” technology to capture carbon dioxide emissions."

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That's already invented, long time ago:

Tree planting 'has mind-blowing potential' to tackle climate crisis

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...le-climate-crisis-scientists-canopy-emissions

"Planting billions of trees across the world is one of the biggest and cheapest ways of taking CO2 out of the atmosphere to tackle the climate crisis, according to scientists, who have made the first calculation of how many more trees could be planted without encroaching on crop land or urban areas."

"As trees grow, they absorb and store the carbon dioxide emissions that are driving global heating. New research estimates that a worldwide planting programme could remove two-thirds of all the emissions from human activities that remain in the atmosphere today, a figure the scientists describe as “mind-blowing”.

 

[Cannuck]

Where are your quotes from? Who are these so-called peers?

His peers: scientists, researchers and colleagues at work.

https://alumni.berkeley.edu/califor...s-berkeleys-most-controversial-nobel-laureate

He has obviously offended many climate parasites.

He also offended most of his peers, colleagues and employers. He never published any research on climate.

 

[dna]

 

[dna]

 

[dna]

Ad Hominem​

(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution.
Examples:

1. Student: Hey, Professor Moore, we shouldn't have to read this book by Freud. Everyone knows he used cocaine.

 

[dncafe]

It's not about the environment, it's about power, profit and control.

"They" want to control every commodity possible, whether it is energy, water, food or power.

One way to do that is by creating many environmental taxes and restrictions, pushing out all the competition.

 

[Cannuck]

Are Birds Dinosaurs?

Modern birds can trace their origins to theropods, a branch of mostly meat-eaters on the dinosaur family tree.

Today, there are approximately 10,000 bird species worldwide. Birds might be as tiny as a hummingbird or as big as an ostrich; they might soar like an eagle or dive like a penguin. Nevertheless, they still belong to the same group of theropod dinosaurs that hatched Archaeopteryx 150 million years ago.

https://www.livescience.com/are-birds-dinosaurs.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enantiornithes

Their success was dependent on ADAPTATION and EVOLUTION. The only constant is change...

 

[Cannuck]

The dude with the haircut has a point... fossil fuels has provided us with the tools to measure Climate Change.

How Do We Know Climate Change Is Real?​

Facts + Evidence = Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate and human activity is the principal cause.

"Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."

"Scientific information taken from natural sources (such as ice cores, rocks, and tree rings) and from modern equipment (like satellites and instruments) all show the signs of a changing climate."

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

[Cannuck]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666754988335329280

In response, American composer Marc Shaiman rewrote his tongue-in-cheek song he co-wrote for the cartoon South Park, “Blame Canada”.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1666533320002347008

 

[Cannuck]

Just imagine what it will be like in a decade or or sooner, when Arctic ice melts and the natural cooling effect causes temperatures to rise, forests get drier and burn, the largest natural source of CO2 filter and fresh air will be depleted.

A return of the "30's Dust Bowl" is not mere speculation...

Share of global cumulative CO2 emissions (2023 estimates)

USA 25%
Europe 17%
China 15%
UK 5%
India 4%
Canada 2%

https://ourworldindata.org/map

I'm not saying we should halt all fossil fuel production now, but rather, use these resources to proactively respond by rebuilding infrastructure and clean energy sources that will temper the effects of Climate Change.

 

[JB Lions]

"As a scientist I'm Not allowed to tell the truth about climate change"

https://nypost.com/2023/09/05/as-a-...-to-tell-the-full-truth-about-climate-change/

He says we could offset the affects of climate change by better management but he literally admits climate change plays a part:

"He gave examples of factors which are ignored, including a 'decline in deaths from weather and climate disasters over the last century'. In the case of wildfires, Brown says 'current research indicates that these changes in forest management practices could completely negate the detrimental impacts of climate change on wildfires'."

And decline in deaths is because we're just more advanced now. Better science, warning systems, ways to inform the public etc. This guy and people like Vivek like to bring that up as some type of argument that climate isn't playing a part. It's dishonest. And then Conservative Christians tend to be more fossil fuel friendly, may be a little biased.

 

[Cannuck]

Yes we have the technology now to create new life forms, even create life itself - that's miraculous! Our technological developments have allowed us to become the dominant species on this planet. It's happening right before our eyes. Humanity itself, however, has evolved very little over the past millennia.

Everything changes, it is the constant order of things in our reality, nothing is permanent - yet as a race of sentient beings, I do believe we'd like to stick around awhile a little while longer though

 

[Cal2]

Liking to stick around awhile and actually doing enough, and doing enough smart things to make it happen.....

Some things take a Looong time to change. The human species seems to be one of them. Especially our bad habits, behaviour. : )

 

[Sutruk]

We have already passed the CO2 limit, that's the truth. We, the human species, have created many amazing technological advances, but on the way, we have forgotten the most basic, taking care of our living environment. We are destroying this incredible place called planet Earth, and we won't find nothing even remotely similar in many light years.

Our planet is like a living organism, and when it gets "sick" it just freeze, until it is recovered again. Unfortunately, the recovery time of our planet is not just a week or two, but tens of thousands of years. It has happened before, with nearly this same amount of atmospheric CO2 levels, and it will happen very soon at this rate. And it's called Glaciation.

Planet earth is like a "miracle" of the Nature, it has needed many different conditions, many accidental and "perfect" conditions, to be how it is actually our planet. Just turn the Earth's axis of rotation one degree more or less inclined, or push the Earth a little bit nearest the Sun, or a bit further away... and you can forget about the water or our amazing nice weather.

That's why we won't find any other habitable planet, even remotely, in many light years.

Just see Mars, Venus, Jupiter... see the climate conditions there... I think the world leaders may think that there are plenty of Earths out there, and we will jump to Mars and live there the same way we are living here.

Unfortunatelly they won't react until it's too late. And the "too late" talking about Climate change may be really too late.

Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide

https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...ate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide

"The global average atmospheric carbon dioxide in 2019 was 409.8 parts per million (ppm for short), with a range of uncertainty of plus or minus 0.1 ppm. Carbon dioxide levels today are higher than at any point in at least the past 800,000 years."