User based discrimination at Dan?

[topdom]

None of my domains parked at Dan resolve (in less than 20 seconds).
Registrar doesn't matter. It is purely Dan made problem.
It must be intentional.
Why I think so:
Other people's domains resolve instantly.
Not sure if most people are like me, or
only a few intentionally discriminated users are like me.

It is not registrar related.
It is not ISP related.
So the only remaining possibility: users are not treated equally.
There is at least one more user like me.
Let's check what their criteria is.
And they lie and pretend everything is ok.
Maybe they are not aware of this problem
(if so they are still responsible for it,
because there is an easy cure).

 

[td11]

I was also experiencing slow load times of dan.com very often. This also happened with domain names from other sellers. But I noticed that this happened when you use name servers of dan.com (ns1 and ns2). I noticed that when you park with A-record (52.58.78.16) instead of name servers the page loads faster. Also some page themes from dan.com load slower than others but difference is small. But it works best if you redirect your domain name to https://dan.com/buy-domain/example.com. Try for example test6.eu and see if it loads fast. I don't have much technical knowledge but I think somewhere in their dns settings of their name servers are problems. But as said before this problem happens not always but sometimes.

 

[Future Sensors]

The average page load time for all my DAN domains (visitors from all countries combined) is shown in the graphic below, which I've now also added to my custom dashboard in Google Analytics.

The average page load time for yesterday is 11.56 seconds.

GA Widget settings are shown below (in Dutch):

 

[DAN.COM]

Please don't provide information that is simply untrue. Your above explanation doesn't cover why then different regions see such drastic difference. Netherlands sees page loads close to a second, while some countries can see load times above 10 seconds. It also doesn't explain why it takes so long for Dan to start sending the first byte. This definitely has nothing to do with Trustpilot. If your whole problem is because of the third party widgets, then find a solution including an option to remove them, because they cannot compensate for lost sales due to slow loading.

Believe me, no ecommerce shop would survive it would be loading that slow and their stores are normally more complex than a simple lander needs to be.

Also, pingdom did not let me test for different regions, differing from GTmetrix, so the point is mute. We know that the USA and the UK are not the biggest problems with Dan.

PS actually, for USA pingdom shows for me 1.16 sec, not 0.64 you are getting for the US. Again, apparently DAN doesn't have properly distributed global solution for the job it has undertaken.

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Our example was taken from the UK test option as shown in the screenshot not US.

Again, we track the average loading times and benchmark with other providers internally which returns more accurate benchmarks than online tools.

Any out-of-the-ordinary loading times above 2.5 seconds are not the result of our setup and or accurate since the page loads in a real browser much faster than what benchmarking tools will show.

 

[Recons.Com]

Our example was taken from the UK test option as shown in the screenshot not US.

Again, we track the average loading times and benchmark with other providers internally which returns more accurate benchmarks than online tools.

Any out-of-the-ordinary loading times above 2.5 seconds are not the result of our setup and or accurate since the page loads in a real browser much faster than what benchmarking tools will show.

Interesting. Dan used to be very open to feedback and more reasonable. Now, it seems, it is just being very defensive.

I'd rather trust GA and GTMetrix. Btw, they show better results for both your competition and for the listings on full blown ecommerce sites that are normally heavier. So GTMetrix must be conspiring specifically against Dan.

Anyway, this lack of listening to feedback is not without consequence. I had about 18300 names pointing to Dan landers. Now I am leaving about 1/3 there and will keep an eye on any improvements before making further decisions.

 

[Recons.Com]

Just performed Google page speed check and the results are just awful. It has NOTHING to do with any third party.

2.8 seconds to first contentful paint
7.5 seconds to first interactive
Performance estimated at 67 out of 100.

Apparently, the results on mobile are way worse than on desktop. This partially could explain why Dan thinks it doesn't have problem.

 

[Recons.Com]

People should stop taking these tests too seriously. It gives even worse score to Amazon.com, which in fact performs brilliantly.

Amazon is not comparable. First, it is way more complex than a lander. Second, it knows its clients and has wealth of info about them and their profiles and can make sure what is needed is cached properly and served really fast. So for them there are real tradeoffs between fast loading and showing as much as possible and collecting max info.

While for lander, I am not sure what they are showing or collecting because the only data I am shown as the owner of my names is basically number of visits. Their primary focus should be really fast loading and everything else should be implemented with the speed in mind.

Update: I did test relevant pages and I must admit google page test has turned into crap. Not sure what the reason is, but they are way off with the eye test.

 

[branding]

It is not ISP related because some other people's domains load instantly here.
I'm not trying to reach those landing pages. I'm just a seller.

These pages (search results) load instantly:
https://dan.com/buy-domain/domain.tld

Dan shows these pages instead:
https://dan.com/buy-domain/domain.TLD?redirected=true&tld=LD
as landing pages. Before loading those pages they do some
"spam-check", or maybe there is another script which delays things
based on owner of domains.

For example we know Dan and Epik hate eachother.
If we have Epik domains, they may not want to sell them there.
But nonEpik domains don't resolve either if they are mine.

There is a discrimination here obviously, intentionally or not,
and looks like it is user based.

Could be IP related. They probably do extra checks on some ranges, blacklists etc. Tried with a VPN?

 

[bmugford]

Here is one for you, @topdom

https://GTMetrix.com

Domain #1 @ Dan.com - 2.4s Fully Loaded Time
Domain #2 @ Dan.com - 2.3s Fully Loaded Time

For reference

Domain #1 @ Afternic - 1.4s Fully Loaded Time
Domain #2 @ Afternic - 1.1s Fully Loaded Time

 

[topdom]

2,3 seconds, not good , not very bad, in Canada. Maybe my ISP is multiplying everything by 10 (if it is my domain, but how could they know).

 

[karmaco]

Thanks @Recons.Com. Some solid data will certainly help @DAN.COM. Here's a summary of my Google Analytics data regarding DAN landers (about 10,000 domains pointing to them), showing the Average page load time in seconds. Period: Apr 22 - May 21, 2022. I'm using 3 DAN nameservers, the Standard For Sale Page theme, and do not use the forward/redirect feature in DAN settings.

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At some point I have heard that either no redirect or redirect (default setting) causes slower loading but I am not sure which.

That point has been brought up to DAN before but perhaps its time to send the proofs to DAN regarding your findings or anyone’s findings.

I do not believe that anyone is specifically blocked. It serves no purpose as DAN wants sales just like we do. When and if they block someone they remove them from the platform.

 

[DAN.COM]

The average page load time for all my DAN domains (visitors from all countries combined) is shown in the graphic below, which I've now also added to my custom dashboard in Google Analytics.

The average page load time for yesterday is 11.56 seconds.

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GA Widget settings are shown below (in Dutch):

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This isn't very accurate since the load times reported by GA include third-party assets that are loaded in slower like Trustpilot's widget.

The average load time we track internally is 800miliseconds, check Pingdom for more relevant benchmarks: https://tools.pingdom.com/#603bffd4e1800000

 

[topdom]

It is not ISP related because some other people's domains load instantly here.
I'm not trying to reach those landing pages. I'm just a seller.

These pages (search results) load instantly:
https://dan.com/buy-domain/domain.tld

Dan shows these pages instead:
https://dan.com/buy-domain/domain.TLD?redirected=true&tld=LD
as landing pages. Before loading those pages they do some
"spam-check", or maybe there is another script which delays things
based on owner of domains.

For example we know Dan and Epik hate eachother.
If we have Epik domains, they may not want to sell them there.
But nonEpik domains don't resolve either if they are mine.

There is a discrimination here obviously, intentionally or not,
and looks like it is user based.

 

[topdom]

Can't be IP, hardware, software related (on my side), because I can reach other people's Dan landing pages quickly.
Otherwise I wouldn't use harsh words like discrimination, fascism, evil etc..

Also I don't care much if they block IPs from Nigeria, or Bangladesh. My IP is not blocked, my domains are blocked. Some other people's domains are blocked as well.

 

[Clover]

I doubt they would intentionally do something like this that is an obvious thread to profits and sales generated.

 

[topdom]

I have a theory. I'm awake and openly against the DS. And their spam blocker is run by DS. So they can decide which domains should not resolve.
I have sooo many "enemies" here who dislike or disagree with whatever I say. I tell the truth, why disagree or dislike them (I don't care at all but,. you see what I mean). Obvious truth every nonidiot can confirm, but I still get so many negatives, most of them are not even visible in notifications. Obviously some eye opening stuff I talk about here bothers some people. And they would kill me if they could. The best they can do is to block my business. I don't need this business, don't waste your time. I'm not afraid of dying either (I'm just afraid of reincarnation, if real).

The problem is obvious. Others also complain about it. Dan just ignores. Because they are doing this intentionally.
Or they don't have any control over software they are using, and some evil people poisoning domain data.

Why should Dan do this: it doesn't make any sense in honest business. But not all business is honest. I'm not lying. How can anyone lie like this. I give enough info here proving discrimination (if info is correct, but I can't make it up, and there is no benefit in doing so). I praise Dan, and others when they deserve it.

How can Dan benefit from this. Direct sales to endusers don't bring much money, just 10 percent commission. But there is big money in acting as middle man. Endusers go their registrar, only place they know for buying domains, their registrar say, we can get this domain for you, and arrange buying and selling agreements with buyers and sellers simultaneously. So by preventing direct sales, they can make 99 percent , instead of 10 percent profit...Or they know I have good domains which I would drop if there is not enough cash flow. So by preventing sales, they can handreg quality domains with active buyers. Here by they I don't (necessarily) mean Dan. Any big marketplace can abuse its position this way. And they give themselves a lot power to make this possible, and not any power to sellers to prevent it.

 

[topdom]

What am I supposed to do here. Make a video about it?

I proved my credibility many times. Apollo, to 9/11. And you say it is absurd to say "Obama is grandson of Hitler"
force me to post the proof again, and I post the link again. And now you say, it is irrelevant.

 

[topdom]

Most of you may not see any problem on your side (you are not discriminated).
If so your input is valuable.
But input from other discriminated users is more valuable.
There was at least one more such user, but he didn't vote yet.

Posting the domain: in addition to obvious reason,
..the person who is responsible for this problem, can whitelist
that domain and make me look like fool.

 

[Future Sensors]

2,3 seconds, not good , not very bad, in Canada.

In my overview, you should read it as 23,6 seconds on average for Canada, not 2,3.

 

[Future Sensors]

Thank you both @DAN.COM and @Recons.Com for your speedy analysis. I do not share OP's opinion that certain users, or their individual domains, are intentionally harmed on DAN's platform. It's obvious that DAN pays a lot more attention to speed, availability, and redundancy matters these days, and I appreciate that. FWIW, I am currently not experiencing any speed problems while visiting DAN landers myself.

 

[topdom]

Just look at pictures:
https://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2022/05/obamas-grandmother-eva-braun-1944-2686640.html

If I say something, there is logic/data behind it. Sometimes I give full proof, sometimes provide strong evidence.
And the response from the other side is standard: not saying anything, or saying conspiracy theory/tin foil hat,..Something with no real content.