User based discrimination at Dan?

[topdom]

None of my domains parked at Dan resolve (in less than 20 seconds).
Registrar doesn't matter. It is purely Dan made problem.
It must be intentional.
Why I think so:
Other people's domains resolve instantly.
Not sure if most people are like me, or
only a few intentionally discriminated users are like me.

It is not registrar related.
It is not ISP related.
So the only remaining possibility: users are not treated equally.
There is at least one more user like me.
Let's check what their criteria is.
And they lie and pretend everything is ok.
Maybe they are not aware of this problem
(if so they are still responsible for it,
because there is an easy cure).

 

[bmugford]

None of my domains parked at Dan resolve (in less than 20 seconds).
Registrar doesn't matter. It is purely Dan made problem.
It must be intentional.
Why I think so:
Other people's domains resolve instantly.
Not sure if most people are like me, or
only a few intentionally discriminated users are like me.

It is not registrar related.
It is not ISP related.
So the only remaining possibility: users are not treated equally.
There is at least one more user like me.
Let's check what their criteria is.
And they lie and pretend everything is ok.
Maybe they are not aware of this problem
(if so they are still responsible for it,
because there is an easy cure).

That is a pretty big claim. You are accusing a company of discrimination and lying.

Big claims require evidence. The burden is on you to substantiate these claims with something more concrete than just your beliefs.

First of all why would Dan.com be discriminating against you personally? What is their motivation?

Why would they do that instead of just not having you as a customer?

There are actually many possible reasons a website could load slow, it seems like quite a jump to conclusions by you.

Brad

 

[biggie]

For example we know Dan and Epik hate eachother.

Hi

who is we?

and who else hates the other,
so we''ll know to add them to the list of haters who might discriminate against our names because of the color of their skin, their age, their sex, where they live (registrar) or for having a disability?

imo...

 

[Recons.Com]

Domain #1 @ Dan.com - 2.4s Fully Loaded Time
Domain #2 @ Dan.com - 2.3s Fully Loaded Time

For reference

Domain #1 @ Afternic - 1.4s Fully Loaded Time
Domain #2 @ Afternic - 1.1s Fully Loaded Time

Yes, Dan's performance for loading sucks. And it is not just fully loaded time that matters. It took Dan 1.2 seconds to actually send the "first contentful paint" when testing for Canada. 1.7 seconds for the FCP for India, 1.6 seconds for Hong Kong (China) and 1.2 seconds for the USA. Those times are not good at all. A good user experience for FCP is considered below 0.9 seconds.

 

[Haroon Basha]

Dan people do not play politics, why should they discriminate you? As far as I know, the entire staff at DAN are very humble, hardworking and pro-clients only.

 

[noneisnone]

For example we know Dan and Epik hate eachother.
If we have Epik domains, they may not want to sell them there.

i sold few domains at dan that were registered with epik they don't decline the transaction instead they appoint a transfer specialist to handle the transfer the whole transaction took less than 48hours to close.

 

[Recons.Com]

I think it is likely you are creating a problem in your mind that does not exist in reality.

The loading times on my domains vary. Sometimes they load instantly, sometimes they take a few seconds.
Sometimes it might take even longer.

Post a sample domain. If it is not related to any external factors, everyone should have the same experience when they try to load your "discriminated" domain.

Without an example domain, there is really no point carrying on with these claims.

Brad

Or he could just use free web services that test loading times and they do it from different regions. And he could compare his name vs any other name with Dan lander to prove his point.

 

[capybara]

Performance estimated at 67 out of 100.

People should stop taking these tests too seriously. It gives even worse score to Amazon.com, which in fact performs brilliantly.

 

[bmugford]

I have a theory. I'm awake and openly against the DS. And their spam blocker is run by DS. So they can decide which domains should not resolve.
I have sooo many "enemies" here who dislike or disagree with whatever I say. I tell the truth, why disagree or dislike them (I don't care at all but,. you see what I mean). Obvious truth every nonidiot can confirm, but I still get so many negatives, most of them are not even visible in notifications. Obviously some eye opening stuff I talk about here bothers some people. And they would kill me if they could. The best they can do is to block my business. I don't need this business, don't waste your time. I'm not afraid of dying either (I'm just afraid of reincarnation, if real).

The problem is obvious. Others also complain about it. Dan just ignores. Because they are doing this intentionally.
Or they don't have any control over software they are using, and some evil people poisoning domain data.

Why should Dan do this: it doesn't make any sense in honest business. But not all business is honest. I'm not lying. How can anyone lie like this. I give enough info here proving discrimination (if info is correct, but I can't make it up, and there is no benefit in doing so). I praise Dan, and others when they deserve it.

What is the "DS"?

In fairness you have posted quite a bit of absurd stuff, like Obama is Hitler's grandson most recently, and other wild conspiracy theories. I am sorry if I am skeptical of your wild claims here, without any evidence.

If they wanted to block your business, they would just not allow you as a customer. Who knows, maybe after making such specious claims they will just do that anyway.

Give an actual example domain that is supposedly being "discriminated" against.

Brad

 

[branding]

What am I supposed to do here.

You could start by posting a domain to check. Problem solved.

 

[Recons.Com]

Here is one for you, @topdom

https://GTMetrix.com

 

[karmaco]

Here is one for you, @topdom

https://GTMetrix.com

Just tested one of mine A- grade and 97%

These kind of false accusation threads are not helpful to anyone. People should not be allowed to post garbage claims here without proof.

Paranoia seems to be the thread starters forte as all his threads someone is conspiring or doing him wrong. Check his thread history. If its not DAN its Epik or NameSilo or Dynadot.

Take it up with DAN if you have proof.

 

[Recons.Com]

Just tested one of mine A- grade and 97%

These kind of false accusation threads are not helpful to anyone. People should not be allowed to post garbage claims here without proof.

Paranoia seems to be the thread starters forte as all his threads someone is conspiring or doing him wrong. Check his thread history. If its not DAN its Epik or NameSilo or Dynadot.

Take it up with DAN if you have proof.

I agree, the accusations against people or businesses without fair certainty shouldn't be made. Unfortunately, with so much stress around, medications, and bunch of things affecting people's health I am not surprised or don't want to judge how people perceive things nowadays

I am redirecting the discussion a little towards the area where Dan can really improve. When I get to GA data, I will recheck again. They were showing really bad experience for average loading times for many regions last time I checked.

 

[Recons.Com]

This isn't very accurate since the load times reported by GA include third-party assets that are loaded in slower like Trustpilot's widget.

The average load time we track internally is 800miliseconds, check Pingdom for more relevant benchmarks: https://tools.pingdom.com/#603bffd4e1800000

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Please don't provide information that is simply untrue. Your above explanation doesn't cover why then different regions see such drastic difference. Netherlands sees page loads close to a second, while some countries can see load times above 10 seconds. It also doesn't explain why it takes so long for Dan to start sending the first byte. This definitely has nothing to do with Trustpilot. If your whole problem is because of the third party widgets, then find a solution including an option to remove them, because they cannot compensate for lost sales due to slow loading.

Believe me, no ecommerce shop would survive it would be loading that slow and their stores are normally more complex than a simple lander needs to be.

Also, pingdom did not let me test for different regions, differing from GTmetrix, so the point is mute. We know that the USA and the UK are not the biggest problems with Dan.

PS actually, for USA pingdom shows for me 1.16 sec, not 0.64 you are getting for the US. Again, apparently DAN doesn't have properly distributed global solution for the job it has undertaken.

 

[bmugford]

Just look at pictures:
https://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2022/05/obamas-grandmother-eva-braun-1944-2686640.html

If I say something, there is logic/data behind it. Sometimes I give full proof, sometimes provide strong evidence.
And the response from the other side is standard: not saying anything, or saying conspiracy theory/tin foil hat,..Something with no real content.

I don't think posting this type of drivel really helps with credibility when it comes to wild claims about Dan.com.

Again, where is the actual evidence in regards to your claims about Dan?

Brad

 

[bmugford]

Most of you may not see any problem on your side (you are not discriminated).
If so your input is valuable.
But input from other discriminated users is more valuable.
There was at least one more such user, but he didn't vote yet.

Posting the domain: in addition to obvious reason,
..the person who is responsible for this problem, can whitelist
that domain and make me look like fool.

I think it is likely you are creating a problem in your mind that does not exist in reality.

The loading times on my domains vary. Sometimes they load instantly, sometimes they take a few seconds.
Sometimes it might take even longer.

Post a sample domain. If it is not related to any external factors, everyone should have the same experience when they try to load your "discriminated" domain.

Without an example domain, there is really no point carrying on with these claims.

Brad

 

[Recons.Com]

In practical terms if I type the domain into a browser it tends to load faster, though at times it can load far slower.

There are certainly some improvements that could be made, but I don't think it has anything to with "discrimination" as the OP claims. Some factors are within Dan's control, some others are external factors.

Brad

I am not even commenting on the "discrimination" part. That is just BS. The loading time is very important factor though. Dan must be losing on considerable % of sales for itself and its clients.

 

[Future Sensors]

I am redirecting the discussion a little towards the area where Dan can really improve. When I get to GA data, I will recheck again. They were showing really bad experience for average loading times for many regions last time I checked.

Thanks @Recons.Com. Some solid data will certainly help @DAN.COM. Here's a summary of my Google Analytics data regarding DAN landers (about 10,000 domains pointing to them), showing the Average page load time in seconds. Period: Apr 22 - May 21, 2022. I'm using 3 DAN nameservers, the Standard For Sale Page theme, and do not use the forward/redirect feature in DAN settings.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

Loading has always been fast for the the parked pages, but maybe you'll find others on the forum that have had the issue and got it resolved.
Is there any difference if you choose to have the pages directed internally to their marketplace?

 

[branding]

None of my domains parked at Dan resolve (in less than 20 seconds).
Registrar doesn't matter. It is purely Dan made problem.
It must be intentional.
Why I think so:
Other people's domains resolve instantly.
Not sure if most people are like me, or
only a few intentionally discriminated users are like me.

It is not registrar related.
It is not ISP related.
So the only remaining possibility: users are not treated equally.
There is at least one more user like me.
Let's check what their criteria is.
And they lie and pretend everything is ok.
Maybe they are not aware of this problem
(if so they are still responsible for it,
because there is an easy cure).

Could be your connection/setup/software? Did you try a speedtest from different geo locations around the globe?

 

[branding]

For a quick check: https://tools.pingdom.com/

There are others with more locations.

If you get the same results here, there's something weird going on. If the results check out fine, it's definitely not at Dan's end.

 

[branding]

I get just under 3s max, from Sydney. Which is surprisingly slow tbh.

 

[Recons.Com]

I second @bmugford here. Doesn't make sense for them and would require a proof from the accuser.

Having said that, Dan does have loading problem, if I believe the google analytics. It is dead slow for some regions and every delayed second increases the chance of customer leaving without waiting drastically. This could partially explain lower than expected performance for Dan landers. Not sure why this is happening as landers are supposed to have small page size and should load almost instantly.

@LaszloSchenk @DAN.COM could comment on this?

 

[bmugford]

Yes, Dan's performance for loading sucks. And it is not just fully loaded time that matters. It took Dan 1.2 seconds to actually send the "first contentful paint" when testing for Canada. 1.7 seconds for the FCP for India, 1.6 seconds for Hong Kong (China) and 1.2 seconds for the USA. Those times are not good at all.

In practical terms if I type the domain into a browser it tends to load faster, though at times it can load far slower.

There are certainly some improvements that could be made, but I don't think it has anything to with "discrimination" as the OP claims. Some factors are within Dan's control, and some other external factors are not.

Brad

 

[1Darko]

Thanks @Recons.Com. Some solid data will certainly help @DAN.COM. Here's a summary of my Google Analytics data regarding DAN landers (about 10,000 domains pointing to them), showing the Average page load time in seconds. Period: Apr 22 - May 21, 2022. I'm using 3 DAN nameservers, the Standard For Sale Page theme, and do not use the forward/redirect feature in DAN settings.

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wow 18+ seconds seems like eternety

 

[topdom]

Thanks @Recons.Com. Some solid data will certainly help @DAN.COM. Here's a summary of my Google Analytics data regarding DAN landers (about 10,000 domains pointing to them), showing the Average page load time in seconds. Period: Apr 22 - May 21, 2022. I'm using 3 DAN nameservers, the Standard For Sale Page theme, and do not use the forward/redirect feature in DAN settings.

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Great data, thanks, and now everyone should agree that Dan is unacceptably slow.

(only difference with my original claim (suspicion): I claimed delays might be user specific.)

Other sites, Afternic, Epik, Dynadot, Sedo,..can also be very slow sometimes (and maybe regularly),
but at Dan this is a very chronic problem (and about 10 month old), meaning, this is a rule rather than an exception. I can bypass this problem by redirecting to search results, but it would then take lots of time.
(or just not use Dan).