Moniker TRAFFIC East Auction

[upbeat]

Anyone have any news on this auction which is underway?

 

[-REECE-]

I'm fairly certain you're right on that count Snoop (considering WT closed at $112,000 [unsold] yesterday).

Very sad...

Realistically though that is never going to happen is it? The marketplace is made of people "with the cash", those people set the prices. Not the people who could, would, should....This is particularly true when cash is tight. Not meaning to be rude hear, just saying it as it is.

I'm pretty sure if the name were auctioned again tomorrow the price wouldn't be much different.

 

[Jeff]

Another interesting sale from the silent auction,

ringtone.mobi - $10,000
ringtones.mobi sold in November last year for $145,000

Obviously the plural is several times better though I think ringtone.mobi would have got 30-40k+ last year.

^ Good observation(s) ... the Traffic "dot Mobeys" are clearly OFF and by a very large percentage from prior HYPE Traffic (and Sedo) events - realistically, 75% - 85%+ or more from those bogus prices, IMHO.

And that's the good news! :o

The recurring BAD NEWS, of course, for the extension are that these Usual Suspect™ "sales" are not leading to actual developments and promotions of actual "on the go" websites and very necessary "ecosystem", in my judgement. mTLD has chosen to auction these premium / generic domains, and has since not followed through with ensuring that they would fulfill their prescribed mandated development requirement - while 1,000's of them still reside under mTLD ownership and languishing undeveloped!

In many respects, mTLD - through these Traffic (and Sedo) auctions and in abandoning the RFP process for these generics - has caused the downfall of the extension! My educated guess is you'll now start to see some new "Press Releases" out of mTLD (and a new hype push drivel here on the forums) to try to buy it more time (and, as always, including GREED CASH), but in the end it will have no effect on this downward spiral, IMHO. :tri:

Thanks to those posting and commenting on ALL of the Traffic updates and its discussion - "dot Mobey" or otherwise - I think it's been a nice, open, and balanced discussion of the current state of affairs! :gl: :talk:
For those new and newer to domains, I think this unique balance here at your #1 Namepros is very important to seeing the larger picture (in any extensions)! :imho:
-Jeff

 

[scandiman]

^ Good observation(s) ... the Traffic "dot Mobeys" are clearly OFF and by a very large percentage from prior HYPE Traffic (and Sedo) events - realistically, 75% - 85%+ or more from those bogus prices, IMHO.

And that's the good news! :o

The recurring BAD NEWS, of course, for the extension are that these Usual Suspect™ "sales" are not leading to actual developments and promotions of actual "on the go" websites and very necessary "ecosystem", in my judgement. mTLD has chosen to auction these premium / generic domains, and has since not followed through with ensuring that they would fulfill their prescribed mandated development requirement - while 1,000's of them still reside under mTLD ownership and languishing undeveloped!

In many respects, mTLD - through these Traffic (and Sedo) auctions and in abandoning the RFP process for these generics - has caused the downfall of the extension! My educated guess is you'll now start to see some new "Press Releases" out of mTLD (and a new hype push drivel here on the forums) to try to buy it more time (and, as always, including GREED CASH), but in the end it will have no effect on this downward spiral, IMHO. :tri:

Thanks to those posting and commenting on ALL of the Traffic updates and its discussion - "dot Mobey" or otherwise - I think it's been a nice, open, and balanced discussion of the current state of affairs! :gl: :talk:
For those new and newer to domains, I think this unique balance here at your #1 Namepros is very important to seeing the larger picture (in any extensions)! :imho:
-Jeff

You need to keep up with current events before declaring that the RFP process has been abandoned.

 

[Jeff]

Here comes the spin!

You need to keep up with current events before declaring that the RFP process has been abandoned.

My educated guess is you'll now start to see some new "Press Releases" out of mTLD (and a new hype push drivel here on the forums) to try to buy it more time (and, as always, including GREED CASH), but in the end it will have no effect on this downward spiral, IMHO. :tri:

^ Hammer. Head. Nail. :imho:

-Jeff

PS. Please see this thread link for further discussion on the topic of the demise of the "dot Mobey": :talk:
http://www.namepros.com/475436-official-mobi-asia-idn-sucks-thread-4.html

 

[mjnels]

the devil!

 

[scandiman]

Jeff, your hatred is clouding your vision again. You bust mTLD's nuts that they have abandoned the RFP but are currently working on releasing some of their most valuable domains via RFP right now. As usual regarding .mobi, you know not what you are talking about. Living in hate will do that to a person.

 

[-REECE-]

Mtld hasn't followed through with the development requirements on any of the other names now have they? Why would we expect it to be any different this time around.

I'll admit -- I've been busy and haven't kept up with mobi events, but I don't recall reading anything about mtld enforcing their dev requirements... :td:

 

[Jeff]

Mtld hasn't followed through with the development requirements on any of the other names now have they? Why would we expect it to be any different this time around.

I'll admit -- I've been busy and haven't kept up with mobi events, but I don't recall reading anything about mtld enforcing their dev requirements... :td:

^ Exactly! :bingo:

v Furthermore ...

Jeff, your hatred is clouding your vision again. You bust mTLD's nuts that they have abandoned the RFP but are currently working on releasing some of their most valuable domains via RFP right now. As usual regarding .mobi, you know not what you are talking about. Living in hate will do that to a person.

^ Paul, this is the exact type of hype drivel that I've been pointing out from you (and a dwindling handful of others) for some time ... I don't hate anyone or anything, but I do LOVE the #1 Namepros Community and answers and fair balance (and you (and a few others) still continue to provide neither or any real substance, in my view).

I specifically discussed " ... and in abandoning the RFP process for these generics" above - it is a - again - FACT that they abandoned the first four premium GENERICS! It is a FACT that mandated development requirements are still not being enforced (from Traffic (and Sedo)!! :gl:

Whatever it is that they're now devising - and that you're now beginning to hype SPIN as I predicted above - it likely will have little to do with what we would consider pure generic / "premium" terms (and mandated developments), and it will most definitely further line the pockets of mTLD - and those at the top of the pyramid - with GREED MONEY! :imho:
Please, stop with the constant spin Paul.

PS. Non Traffic related discussion can be continued in the thread link that I posted above, as well.
-Jeff

 

[mjnels]

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[scandiman]

PS. Non Traffic related discussion can be continued in the thread link that I posted above, as well.
-Jeff

Yes Jeff, again it is no surprise that you want follow up .mobi discussion in a ".mobi sucks" thread. Your continued striving for "fair balance" is overwhelming.

 

[coast]

Congratulations to buyers and sellers of the T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction. That's what we're talking about, right?

 

[-REECE-]

That's what we were supposed to be talking about

Congratulations to buyers and sellers of the T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction. That's what we're talking about, right?

 

[Jeff]

Critical ... !!!

Yes Jeff, again it is no surprise that you want follow up .mobi discussion in a ".mobi sucks" thread.

Righto, ^ that's another excellent thread highlighting the important balance in the unique, open sharing of opinions - Pro or Con or otherwise - that is extended here to the #1 Community, IMHO. :music:

Anyway, back on topic ... :talk:

As posted by Caroline Greer (from mTLD) on 01 May 2008 at 10:10 PM:

At this (TRAFFIC) event, dotMobi will make 16 of its valuable premium names available as part of the Moniker-sponsored auction (including a live auction segment on 23 May). The selection of generics for this auction is bound to attract a lot of attention: airlines.mobi, boats.mobi, company.mobi, computers.mobi, drugs.mobi, escort.mobi, forsale.mobi, films.mobi, men.mobi, mortgage.mobi, religion.mobi, records.mobi, ringtone.mobi, sales.mobi, show.mobi and strip.mobi.

dotMobi followers know the drill as regards content requirements attached to these premium names -- sites should initially consist of a dotMobi compliant parking page with a live web site containing relevant content to follow within a six-month period. In case you don't, we covered the basics in our auction press release this Monday past.

Firstly, with respect to the "sales" of these .MOBI's at the this most recent Traffic event, the main SELLER (versus promised, FAIR distribution via the RFP process to End users that would have ensured development!) of these domains was again mTLD! :red: :imho:

Do we yet know who the respective, verified BUYERS are ... and what their specific plans are for the mandated developments of these domain names, and how they'll be promoting these new, developed sites in the very near-term? :blink:

Furthermore, what about the earlier "buyers" (with the exact same 6-month development mandates!) from Traffic (and Sedo) from NOW MORE THAN SIX MONTHS AGO ... who are they, and why is mTLD now not enforcing their developments (and, because of this, not taking back the domains that they had purchased in accordance with the promised and unequivocal development deadline / mandate / signed agreement)?
IYHO's.

Let's get this nagging and very troubling question addressed (regarding the VERY PUBLIC mandated development requirements and their enforcement!) :red:
Thanks for your kind assistance.
-Jeff

 

[mjnels]

so you revived this thread from a week ago with more copy-n-paste mobi talk that you've pasted a million times.

slow night, Jeff?

 

[Jeff]

Questions remain ...

slow night, Jeff?

It's a beautiful evening, but the only thing that was copied was Caroline Greer's blog post that are in the above quotes, of course properly so IMHO. :gl:

Could we please get a prompt answer to this VERY IMPORTANT question and concern? :talk:
It is, by far, THE #1 subject and concern that is coming in to my massive PM box in the last week+!

Thank you.
-Jeff

 

[mjnels]

what would you recommend as the best way to get definite answers to these questions?

 

[Jeff]

what would you recommend as the best way to get definite answers to these questions?

^ First, frankly, for all to acknowledge that they (these growing questions and concerns regarding mTLD and the .mobi extension) EXIST ... and that the good folks raising them (including myself and dozens - on both sides of the fence - to me privately) have a voice and will not be minimized or detracted! :yell: :imho:

Thank you.
-Jeff

 

[mjnels]

ok but..

what would you recommend as the best way to get definite answers to these questions?

 

[scandiman]

Do we yet know who the respective, verified BUYERS are ... and what their specific plans are for the mandated developments of these domain names, and how they'll be promoting these new, developed sites in the very near-term? :blink:

:lol: Jeff, you're so ridiculous. Check the whois yourself and contact them if you want to know. You remind me of some 800 pound fat guy stuck in his bed yelling for someone to bring him food. Enjoy your time sitting around the threads beating your anti mobi war drum again and again and again and again and again .....

But If your unrelenting assault on .mobi is having any negative effect on current .mobi aftermarket and/or auction pricing my wallet thanks you, just means I can get better names for less.
:hearts:

 

[Jeff]

But If your unrelenting assault on .mobi is having any negative effect on current .mobi aftermarket and/or auction pricing my wallet thanks you, just means I can get better names for less.

Paul, we're all now keenly aware that your common public counter to the questions and concerns mTLD and "dot Mobey" (and the simple fact that "sales prices" at this most recent Traffic event are off 80% - 85%+) and to once again attempt to prop up the aftermarket is to call them "bargains" and an "opportunity to buy" etc. at these depressed levels, but I really don't see this stunt being widely believed by most who are seeking these critical answers, to be honest. I think most today believe - even if these tough questions are one day addressed - that prices could still DROP much, much farther in the months and years ahead; because there really isn't any substance to the whole thing, and its SEVERE lack of corporate adoption, its obvious branding difficulties, and the fact that promises have been made - and broken! :imho:
Besides, shouldn't you better be spending your time developing what you already own?

The question here remains in regard to the Traffic 6-month DEVELOPMENT MANDATE and - again - its lack of enforcement!
Thank you, friend.
-Jeff

 

[snoop]

I think most today believe - even if these tough questions are one day addressed - that prices could still DROP much, much farther in the months and years ahead; because there really isn't any substance to the whole thing, and its SEVERE lack of corporate adoption, its obvious branding difficulties, and the fact that promises have been made and broken! :imho:
Besides, shouldn't you better be spending your time developing what you already own?

I think it is quite possible. When markets drop a lot I think there is always a group of people who feel they are "bargain hunting", that is the case whether the asset is fundamantally sound or not I think. 75% off the prices from last year sounds good. They are either getting good deals or propping up a market that will stagnate or fall further. Personally I don't see any solid foundations with .mobi so I tend to see things on the the latter side.

 

[scandiman]

Besides, shouldn't you better be spending your time developing what you already own?

Just couldn't resist trying to telling me how to spend my time could you. :lol: Couldn't you better spend your time getting answers to your own questions?

 

[Jeff]

I think most today believe - even if these tough questions are one day addressed - that prices could still DROP much, much farther in the months and years ahead; because there really isn't any substance to the whole thing, and its SEVERE lack of corporate adoption, its obvious branding difficulties, and the fact that promises have been made and broken! :imho:
Besides, shouldn't you better be spending your time developing what you already own?

I think it is quite possible. When markets drop a lot I think there is always a group of people who feel they are "bargain hunting", that is the case whether the asset is fundamantally sound or not I think. 75% off the prices from last year sounds good. They are either getting good deals or propping up a market that will stagnate or fall further. Personally I don't see any solid foundations with .mobi so I tend to see things on the the latter side.

^ That's exactly right, Rep.+ Snoop ... there is nothing that has been substantiated that gives any indication that even the most "premium" / generic of these domains are worth what they'd be in any other awkward extension, Mid $Xxx - (rare) Low $X,xxx+/- for their generic or "keyword" reselling potential, IMHO. They could ... as things are going and prospects look for the future ... even reach absolute $0.00; so the concept of dumping even more money (good money after bad), even at the common stunt "bargain prices", in to something that is both fundamentally and technically flawed (and obsolete) makes very little sense - other than for the purpose to buoy short-term prices, and continue the hype and false hopes! :tri: :imho:
Meanwhile, the questions persist! :yell:

-Jeff

 

[snoop]

^ That's exactly right, Rep.+ Snoop ... there is nothing that has been substantiated that gives any indication that even the most "premium" / generic of these domains are worth what they'd be in any other awkward extension, Mid $Xxx - (rare) Low $X,xxx+/- for their generic or "keyword" reselling potential, IMHO. They could ... as things are going and prospects look for the future ... even reach absolute $0.00; so the concept of dumping even more money (good money after bad), even at the common stunt "bargain prices", in to something that is both fundamentally and technically flawed (and obsolete) makes very little sense - other than for the purpose to buoy short-term prices, and continue the hype and false hopes! :tri: :imho:
Meanwhile, the questions persist! :yell:

-Jeff

Personally I don't see these going to zero, I view it as an extension similar to .info or .us, really a domainers extension, there is always someone willing to take a bet. It is the kind of extension that people will dump during a bust (because these domains have almost no revenue source outside this industry) and is unlikely to have a second coming when the market rises (fool me once...). I agree with the obsolete comment, mltd will have to scrap the compliance requirements in the not to distant future I think with the trend towards full page rendering on mobile devices.

 

[scandiman]

But If your unrelenting assault on .mobi is having any negative effect on current .mobi aftermarket and/or auction pricing my wallet thanks you, just means I can get better names for less.

Paul, we're all now keenly aware that your common public counter to the questions and concerns mTLD and "dot Mobey" (and the simple fact that "sales prices" at this most recent Traffic event are off 80% - 85%+) and to once again attempt to prop up the aftermarket is to call them "bargains" and an "opportunity to buy" etc. at these depressed levels, but I really don't see this stunt being widely believed by most who are seeking these critical answers, to be honest. I think most today believe - even if these tough questions are one day addressed - that prices could still DROP much, much farther in the months and years ahead; because there really isn't any substance to the whole thing, and its SEVERE lack of corporate adoption, its obvious branding difficulties, and the fact that promises have been made - and broken! :imho:

BTW Jeff, my post is about my own personal evaluations and decisions. I offer my opinion and share my own activites yet you accuse me of trying to pull a stunt, propping up the aftermarket, hyping the extension and creating false hopes. If I think something is a bargain for me then I buy it. What is so hard about this for you to grasp and why do you choose to slander me as a result?

I don't go around telling people what to buy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you or anyone else is not into .mobi then don't buy it. I really don't care what you buy, it's none of my business. Yet you try and make it your business what I buy. And just because I do you accuse me of hype, subterfuge, and even have gone so far as to suggest criminal activity of being involved in a pyramid scheme. Truly slanderous stuff for why? Because I buy and sell domains that end in mobi?

We are all keenly aware of your unrelenting assault on the .mobi extension and mTLD. It's been your crusade since it launched. Why you desperately want it to fail is beyond my understanding but your motives are not my concern. What is my concern is when you knowingly and purposely distort the realities of the .mobi space and slander those who are involved in it.

You decry the RFP has been completely abandoned when you know it is the method of choice that will be used in the release of .mobi single character domains assuming ICANN approves their release. Why do you NEVER acknowledge this?

You talk only of the fact that mtld has auctioned off some of their premium domains for money, calling them greedy while you know all that they are doing to support their community with free or low cost resources for development such as dev.mobi, Ready.mobi, Site.mobi and Device Atlas. Why do you NEVER acknowledge this?

You prop up silly demands like what Premium generic names that have been auctioned via Moniker and Sedo have ended up in corporate end user hands and developed? Guess what, I don't know, but there are in fact Premium names that have been released either via RFP or auction that are developed but you refuse to recognize them. Weather.mobi, Ringtones.mobi, Camera.mobi and GPS.mobi are a few that quickly come to mind.

You state there is a serious lack of corporate adoption while you know darn well that there are lots of examples of existing businesses that provide mobile content if you visit their .mobi. Why do you distort the truth about this?

You state your opinions as fact, calling .mobi awkward, obsolete and technically flawed. You're entitled to your opinion, but when someone disagrees with you then they are accused of hype.

Now you go so far as to claim that premium .mobi domains will be valued at zero in the future. Good grief Jeff, do you hear yourself? We continue to see companies rolling out their .mobi websites. .mobi domains are being developed and monetized. The mobile web is growing each day and .mobi is establishing itself in that space. We all get that you hate .mobi, but you've become totally irrational, ignoring the whole picture and fixating on whatever you can grab hold of to discredit mtld, .mobi and those who have an interest in it.

Yes Jeff, I am aware of the fact that many of the Premium domains that have development requirements have not been adequately developed in the time alloted. Do I think it is a serious problem for the future of .mobi that those names are not developed? Not entirely. Would I prefer they are developed? Of course. Duh. How will this violation of the development requirements be addressed by mTLD? I don't know, I don't work for them. Does it impact my decision to buy .mobi domains? Not at all.

And yes Jeff, I am aware that the coding requirements have not been specifically enforced to date. Frankly I'm glad because the original system was not well thought out and mTLD has demonstrated wisdom IMO in not implementing it. I look forward to a revised system but in the mean time I am encouraged to see the vast majority of sites are indeed friendly to small screened devices. It's because businesses and individuals are using .mobi for their mobile activities. That is what it is for after all.

Yea, I know, we all know, your questions persist... no duh ... blah blah blah....