Moniker TRAFFIC East Auction

[upbeat]

Anyone have any news on this auction which is underway?

 

[-REECE-]

Mortgage.mobi is a stronger name than Mortgages.mobi. Maybe .mobi prices aren't down 70%, but they're definitely down 50%+...

Also, I don't think anyone ever took mtld seriously with the whole RFP and development thingy -- at least me and Jeff sure as heck never did.

70-80%??

Check your glasses and your calculator. How about some real sales numbers and domains for you to chew on:

Mortgages.mobi - $10,500 (2006) No dev requirements
Mortgages.mobi - $25,000 (2007 TRAFFIC) No dev requirements
Mortgage.mobi - $18,000 (2008) Dev Requirements

These numbers show about a 30% decline using this real world example and I suspect it would be less of a decline if there were no dev requirements and a better economy. Maybe even an increase if housing market was not in the toilet, especially for mortgage.mobi.

Can you show me your 70-80% decline comparing very similar domains like these?

 

[scandiman]

Here is the results,

computers- 9.5k
airlines---- 9.5k
boats----- 6k
mortgage- 18k
men------ 10k
sales----- 10.5k
forsale--- 5k
drugs---- 17.5k
films----- 10k
show---- 5k
escort--- 10k
company- PASS
religion--- 3k
records--- 8.5k

Can you imagine men.mobi getting 100k+ at the time flowers.mobi got 200k or mortgage.mobi getting 180k+? I can't. These are very strong .mobi's but not the "absolute pinnacle" type of names that has come up for auction before. I think most of those 10-18k names would have been 40-80k names at the peak.

Why is every sale compared to flowers? You can imagine what sale prices might have been all day long. Doesn't amount to squat. How about some real numbers to chew on.

Florida 2006 T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Conference live auction:
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Flowers.mobi $200,000
Fun.mobi $100,000
Hot.mobi $40,000
StockQuotes.mobi $27,000
Cams.mobi $23,600
Party.mobi $13,000
Wow.mobi $9,000
Gossip.mobi $5,000
Laugh.mobi $3,000
Celebs.mobi $2,250


2007 T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Conferences:
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RealEstate.mobi $85,000
Casinos.mobi $52,000
Singles.mobi $41,000
Mortgages.mobi $25,000
Pics.mobi $23,000
Pizza.mobi $21,000
Directions.mobi $19,000
MusicVideos.mobi $16,500
Europe.mobi $11,500
AirFare.mobi $11,000
Cam.mobi $10,500
Models.mobi $7,500
Eat.mobi $6,700
CreditScore.mobi $6,500
AreaCodes.mobi $5,890
Laptops.mobi $4,750
SouthAmerica.mobi $3,100
Beat.mobi $3,000
Tags.mobi $1,180
LoanCalculator.mobi $1,500

These are the historic prices from the same venue. Combining 2006 and 2007, the median price for .mobi is $10,250. This latest auction has a median price of $9,500. Yet another moderate decline. You have to be looking at the extremes in order to find your 70-80% declines.

 

[mjnels]

not sure about the percentage.. but price drops have happened, as expected.

but take it from me, somebody that bought lotsa .mobi during landrush and has been selling on the aftermarket constantly... it is the difference of 'insanely great prices', and 'amazing prices', given that it is a relatively new extension and usually whoops .info's ass or ties with it.

like i always say, unless these things drop below $60 (landrush registration price) then the price drops are very easy to deal with for those that jumped first, when the criticism was highest.

 

[Len]

Yet another thread deteriorated into a .mobi Yea and nay parade!!!

 

[Sleepys]

CollectibleMotorcycles.com and LoseWeight.info both look like steals

I think that loseweight.info is one of the more overpriced ones on there. :p

 

[Rubber Duck]

A lot of water has passed under the bridge in the last few months.

http://domainnamewire.com/2007/12/05/musicmobi-sells-for-record-616000/

dotMobi fans are cheering today after Sedo concluded its most successful .mobi auction to date. According to an unofficial tally from Domain Name Wire, the auction cleared $1.5M in sales.

The highest sale was Music.mobi, which sold for an astonishing $616,000. Games.mobi sold for $401,500. Compare this to the record sale prior to this event, Flowers.mobi for $200,000.

With prices this high, major investors clearly took part in the auction. Both “music” and “games” are prevelant on mobile phones, so it’s no surprise that these domains sold for a premium. But these prices were unexpected by even many of the biggest .mobi promoters. Earlier this week I predicted that Games.mobi might break the Flowers.mobi record, but these numbers are simply astonishing.

Other notable sales include:

sports.mobi $101,000
movies.mobi $82,000
juegos.mobi $61,000
game.mobi $61,000
videos.mobi $51,000
photos.mobi $51,000
fashion.mobi $32,000
video.mobi $25,555
dictionary.mobi $21,500
musica.mobi $20,600
movie.mobi $20,500

 

[Jeff]

Lists above.

Name one premium / generic "dot Mobey" domain name that has been a verified, completed sale - ie., not still having mTLD in the Whois contact details - from Traffic (or Sedo, for that matter) to an corporate / End user that now has an unique and compelling fully developed website for exclusive use by those that are "on the go" ... and is now being promoted to the masses? :red:

Also, I don't think anyone ever took mtld seriously with the whole RFP and development thingy -- at least me and Jeff sure as heck never did.

Righto, mTLD abandoned - as predicted - the RFP process for GREED MONEY ... and if the mandated 6-month development requirements are not even going to be enforced, then it's further evidence that mTLD is purely in this thing for immediate PROFITS! :tri: :imho:

For those that demand answers and balance to the whole mTLD / "dot Mobey" situation (fiasco) - including their incestuous participation in the Traffic shows - it is becoming increasingly more and more difficult and problematic for those who are proponents of the extension to actually defend what has transpired to date, in my view.

PS. Any more Traffic updates, .MOBI or otherwise? :gl:
-Jeff

 

[yandig]

Here you go..

20 21 items.

Watch Title Bids Type Bid Ends
553.com 1 $ 11,770.00 1 day
vpr.com 1 $ 9,420.00 22 hours
loseweight.info 1 $ 5,890.00 1 day
wealthbulletin.com 1 $ 2,120.00 1 day
gamesupplies.com 1 $ 1,480.00 1 day
antiquerepairs.com 1 $ 1,180.00 21 hours
dates.biz 1 $ 990.00 1 day
televisionrepair.com 3 $ 985.00 1 day
mensbodywash.com 1 $ 890.00 1 day
saskatoon.net 12 $ 853.00 1 day
myrealty.com 1 $ 590.00 1 day
unregistered.com 1 $ 590.00 1 day
personalcreditreport.org 1 $ 590.00 23 hours
janeiro.com 5 $ 528.00 1 day
healthproductsonline.com 1 $ 480.00 22 hours
pricecomparisons.org 1 $ 200.00 23 hours
ukmortgagequotes.com 1 $ 200.00 1 day
epicure.net 3 $ 165.00 23 hours
winners.us 3 $ 100.00 1 day
collectiblemotorcycles.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day
hollering.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day

 

[Jeff]

^ Thanks, Yandig!

 

[yandig]

The auction is starting to pick up:

32 names with bids, including a slew of LLLL.com domains

Watch Title Bids Type Bid Ends
553.com 1 $ 11,770.00 23 hours
vpr.com 1 $ 9,420.00 21 hours
loseweight.info 1 $ 5,890.00 22 hours
wealthbulletin.com 1 $ 2,120.00 1 day
gamesupplies.com 1 $ 1,480.00 22 hours
antiquerepairs.com 1 $ 1,180.00 20 hours
dates.biz 1 $ 990.00 1 day
televisionrepair.com 3 $ 985.00 1 day
mensbodywash.com 1 $ 890.00 1 day
saskatoon.net 12 $ 853.00 1 day
myrealty.com 1 $ 590.00 22 hours
personalcreditreport.org 1 $ 590.00 21 hours
unregistered.com 1 $ 590.00 1 day
janeiro.com 6 $ 581.00 1 day
healthproductsonline.com 1 $ 480.00 20 hours
irlr.com 1 $ 300.00 21 hours
ptrb.com 1 $ 300.00 22 hours
hfsm.com 1 $ 300.00 20 hours
nrtf.com 1 $ 300.00 1 day
pdrl.com 1 $ 300.00 22 hours
tmnp.com 1 $ 300.00 1 day
tlbn.com 1 $ 300.00 23 hours
mabd.com 1 $ 300.00 1 day
pntf.com 1 $ 300.00 20 hours
thrice.com 1 $ 240.00 1 day
pricecomparisons.org 1 $ 200.00 21 hours
ukmortgagequotes.com 1 $ 200.00 1 day
epicure.net 3 $ 165.00 21 hours
collectiblemotorcycles.com 1 $ 100.00 23 hours
shiloh.net 1 $ 100.00 23 hours
winners.us 3 $ 100.00 23 hours
hollering.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day

 

[E-Thunder]

Thanks for the update.

 

[snoop]

70-80%??

Check your glasses and your calculator. How about some real sales numbers and domains for you to chew on:

Mortgages.mobi - $10,500 (2006) No dev requirements
Mortgages.mobi - $25,000 (2007 TRAFFIC) No dev requirements
Mortgage.mobi - $18,000 (2008) Dev Requirements

These numbers show about a 30% decline using this real world example and I suspect it would be less of a decline if there were no dev requirements and a better economy. Maybe even an increase if housing market was not in the toilet, especially for mortgage.mobi.

Can you show me your 70-80% decline comparing very similar domains like these?

Here is some popularity figures for mortgage versus mortages,

From wordtracker,

2128 mortgage
914 mortgages

From Google

mortgage 223,000,000
mortgages 85,800,000

From Overture

mortgage.com 8500
mortgages.com 205

I think the singular is probably 2-3 times more valuable than the plural.

 

[coast]

Name one premium / generic "dot Mobey" domain name that has been a verified, completed sale - ie., not still having mTLD in the Whois contact details - from Traffic (or Sedo, for that matter) to an corporate / End user that now has an unique and compelling fully developed website for exclusive use by those that are "on the go" ... and is now being promoted to the masses? :red:



Righto, mTLD abandoned - as predicted - the RFP process for GREED MONEY ... and if the mandated 6-month development requirements are not even going to be enforced, then it's further evidence that mTLD is purely in this thing for immediate PROFITS! :tri: :imho:

For those that demand answers and balance to the whole mTLD / "dot Mobey" situation (fiasco) - including their incestuous participation in the Traffic shows - it is becoming increasingly more and more difficult and problematic for those who are proponents of the extension to actually defend what has transpired to date, in my view.

PS. Any more Traffic updates, .MOBI or otherwise? :gl:
-Jeff

I believe other members who are not interested in the .mobi debate have requested that this thread not be hijacked further ... since you already mentioned these points in this very thread, kindly open your own thread if you want to discuss mtld further and I will be happy to discuss this more elsewhere.

 

[Jeff]

I believe other members who are not interested in the .mobi debate have requested that this thread not be hijacked further ... since you already mentioned these points in this very thread, kindly open your own thread if you want to discuss mtld further and I will be happy to discuss this more elsewhere.

The question(s) that have been raised directly relate to "dot Mobey" domains that have supposedly "sold" at Traffic (the thread topic here) ... but I understand that you've been reluctant or not been able to adequately address these increasing concerns earlier in the thread, Coast.
Please PM me directly if you can one day address these very problematic and mounting concerns!
Thank you.

The auction is starting to pick up:

32 names with bids, including a slew of LLLL.com domains

Watch Title Bids Type Bid Ends
553.com 1 $ 11,770.00 23 hours
vpr.com 1 $ 9,420.00 21 hours
loseweight.info 1 $ 5,890.00 22 hours
wealthbulletin.com 1 $ 2,120.00 1 day
gamesupplies.com 1 $ 1,480.00 22 hours
antiquerepairs.com 1 $ 1,180.00 20 hours
dates.biz 1 $ 990.00 1 day
televisionrepair.com 3 $ 985.00 1 day
mensbodywash.com 1 $ 890.00 1 day
saskatoon.net 12 $ 853.00 1 day
myrealty.com 1 $ 590.00 22 hours
personalcreditreport.org 1 $ 590.00 21 hours
unregistered.com 1 $ 590.00 1 day
janeiro.com 6 $ 581.00 1 day
healthproductsonline.com 1 $ 480.00 20 hours
irlr.com 1 $ 300.00 21 hours
ptrb.com 1 $ 300.00 22 hours
hfsm.com 1 $ 300.00 20 hours
nrtf.com 1 $ 300.00 1 day
pdrl.com 1 $ 300.00 22 hours
tmnp.com 1 $ 300.00 1 day
tlbn.com 1 $ 300.00 23 hours
mabd.com 1 $ 300.00 1 day
pntf.com 1 $ 300.00 20 hours
thrice.com 1 $ 240.00 1 day
pricecomparisons.org 1 $ 200.00 21 hours
ukmortgagequotes.com 1 $ 200.00 1 day
epicure.net 3 $ 165.00 21 hours
collectiblemotorcycles.com 1 $ 100.00 23 hours
shiloh.net 1 $ 100.00 23 hours
winners.us 3 $ 100.00 23 hours
hollering.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day

Thanks again, Yandig.
-Jeff

 

[scandiman]

Name one premium / generic "dot Mobey" domain name that has been a verified, completed sale - ie., not still having mTLD in the Whois contact details - from Traffic (or Sedo, for that matter) to an corporate / End user that now has an unique and compelling fully developed website for exclusive use by those that are "on the go" ... and is now being promoted to the masses? :red:

Silly demands Jeff. But I use this .mobi site every day:

Weather.mobi - mTLD Premium generic name - Now owned by The Weather Channel - Fully developed and promoted on weather.com (US Alexa rank #23)

http://www.weather.com/mobile/dotmobi.html

"weather.mobi brings you the weather information you need in a quick, easy-to-view design that's perfect for all mobile phone users."


I'm sure there will be more, at least from those companies who see value in generic names to begin with, most are more interested in promoting their brands instead of generics. AAA.mobi, ESPN.mobi, BofA.mobi, BMW.mobi, Hertz.mobi, Smirnoff.mobi, FoxNews.mobi, Nokia.mobi etc. are perfect examples.

 

[coast]

Jeff, stop it. PM me if you have concerns.

 

[Jeff]

No substance and non answers!

Jeff, stop it. PM me if you have concerns.

I've been waiting for your answers via PM since Page 1 here, Coast. :blink:
Take care for now.

Weather.mobi

:bah:

Again, the question was ... one premium / GENERIC "dot Mobey" domain name that has been a verified, completed sale from Traffic (or Sedo) to an corporate / End user that now has an unique and compelling fully developed website! :blink:
Most here are aware - IMHO - of the incest that has occurred with the unusual "extended double trial" of (former / abandoned RFP) Weather.mobi ... what was the exact nature and specific financial arrangement for this propoganda/hype link, Paul?

PS. Here is the real Weather.com™ Mobile link (linked directly from their home page as; weather.com on your mobile phone: http://www.weather.com/mobile/

Go to weather.com on your phone.
It's fast! It's free! All you need is a mobile phone with Wireless Internet capability to access severe weather warnings, forecasts and radar maps for your city, and thousands of cities worldwide. It's weather anytime, anywhere from the leader in Wireless Weather®

Access The Weather- Channel application FREE from your iPhone. Go to weather.com/iphone from your iPhone browser. Get maps, severe weather, hourly forcasts and more.

Link: http://xhtml.weather.com/xhtml/search

Let's move on, as these proponent rosey posts are just more repeated NON answers ... and yet again, regurgitated less-than-newsworthy "news" and unsubstantiated .MOBI Agenda™ drivel! :imho:

Good Luck with the remaining Traffic auctions!
-Jeff

 

[scandiman]

PS. Here is the real Weather.com™ Mobile link (linked directly from their home page as; weather.com on your mobile phone: http://www.weather.com/mobile/

Jeff, deny it all you want but the link I provided in my post, http://www.weather.com/mobile/dotmobi.html is found on weather.com. It CLEARLY advertises and promotes weather.mobi.

Jeff, how many premium / GENERIC .com domain names have a verified, completed sale since Sept '06 from Traffic (or Sedo) to a corporate end user that now has an unique and compelling fully developed website? If .com is King, let's look at that first.

 

[Jeff]

Evasion and NON answers!

Jeff, how many premium / GENERIC .com domain names have a verified, completed sale since Sept '06 from Traffic (or Sedo) to a corporate end user that now has an unique and compelling fully developed website? If .com is King, let's look at that first.

^ This is called subterfuge, friends ...
Unbelievable. :imho:

PS. Again, here is the real Weather.com™ Mobile link -- >> and it is linked directly from their HOME PAGE (and not on some obsure page / link that only enthusiasts of the "dot Mobey" can find as part of their propoganda, IMHO) as; "weather.com on your mobile phone": http://www.weather.com/mobile/

Or, simply go to Google.com and type in: "weather mobile" (PM with your results)! :D

As always, Caveat Emptor, friends ... Traffic or otherwise, IMHO.
-Jeff

 

[scandiman]

^ This is called subterfuge, friends

No Jeff, it's called applying the same standard across the board. You set up unrealistic and false expectations of the .mobi extension and then declare it is a failure when your silly bar is not met. All the while no extension can meet your demands but somehow it only applies to .mobi. I ask your own question back to you and you accuse me of evasion and deception. Ridiculous.

.mobi auction prices are down, no one is arguing the opposite. I also read .com prices are down. Is anyone arguing the opposite? Is this the death of .com also? No, nor is it the death of .mobi. Face it, .mobi is here to stay whether you like it or not. Same for .net, .org, .info, etc. If .mobi is not your thing, don't buy it. But refrain from slandering .mobi enthusiasts, accusing them of subterfuge when all they do is spend their own money on domains of their liking.

 

[Jeff]

at Traffic!

It is 100% subterfuge (along with a healthy dose of the .MOBI Agenda), Paul ... because you, and Coast, have consistently failed to adequately answer the questions and concerns that have been been raised here directly relating to the "dot Mobey" domains that have supposedly "sold" at Traffic (which is the thread topic), IMHO.

The answer is ZERO! None. NADA. (And, as you very well know, it certainly wasn't the "weather.mobi" arrangement)! :yell: :imho:

And finally, your highly obscure, incestuous, "propoganda link" is NOT linked from the Weather.com™ home page ... but the following IS RIGHT NOW directly linked from the HOME PAGE: :gl:
"weather.com on your mobile phone": http://www.weather.com/mobile/ :talk:

Fact. :gl:

Goodnight for now, friends.
-Jeff

 

[scandiman]

It is 100% subterfuge (along with a healthy dose of the .MOBI Agenda), Paul ... because you, and Coast, have consistently failed to adequately answer the questions and concerns that have been been raised here directly relating to the "dot Mobey" domains that have supposedly "sold" at Traffic (which is the thread topic), IMHO.

The answer is ZERO! None. NADA. (And, as you very well know, it certainly wasn't the "weather.mobi" arrangement)! :yell: :imho:

Guess what Jeff, I don't jump through your silly hoops. But apparently you can continue unabated with your slander. Emeritus = Immunity.

And finally, your highly obsure, incestuous, "propoganda link" is NOT linked from the Weather.com™ home page ... but the following IS directly linked from the HOME PAGE: :gl:
"weather.com on your mobile phone"[color]: http://www.weather.com/mobile/ :talk:

Goodnight for now, friends.
-Jeff

You really must clean those turd colored glasses, go to their homepage, weather.com, scroll down to the bottom and there is a whole section for mobile. The first link reads, "Free Mobile Web", click it. Scroll down and there in bright orange is a .mobi logo, next to it you can read for yourself, "And, now you can access our weather content on weather.mobi. Click here for more information." Go ahead, click on it, and there is this really nice page with further info all about weather.mobi. I know it pains you to see it, but I use it every day, along with an ever increasing number of users. The Weather Channel Interactive Inc doesn't care about the .mobi auction results in the domainer community, they got their killer .mobi domain, as well as their earlier one, TWC.mobi, which also works BTW.

Prices rise and fall. Whatever, thats the nature of things. I like low prices so my purchasing $ will go further. If you want to wait until the prices are much higher to buy domains, that is your prerogative.

 

[Jeff]

Caveat emptor, friends ...

Paul, name just ONE generic domain name in my specific question above? :blink:
Thus far, you have refused (evaded) to answer the question and instead attempted to discredit me and my opinions, IMHO.

PS. Here is the less than obsure real mobile content link from Weather.com™ ("weather.mobi" - ANOTHER FACT - was not "sold" at Traffic, by the way):

GET STARTED NOW. It's Fast and Easy!
Launch your mobile web browser
Enter weather.com into the URL box
Enter your ZIP code or city name
Get your weather!

If you want to wait until the prices are much higher to buy domains, that is your prerogative.

Even suggesting that "dot Mobey" prices could go higher is libelous! :imho:
Goodnight. :zzz:
-Jeff

 

[scandiman]

Paul, name just ONE generic domain name in my specific question above? :blink:
Thus far, you have refused (evaded) to answer the question and instead attempted to discredit me and my opinions, IMHO.

Jeff, your question is meaningless so I don't answer it. You discredit your own opinions, you don't need my assistance.

PS. Here is the less than obsure real mobile content link from Weather.com™ ("weather.mobi" - ANOTHER FACT - was not "sold" at Traffic, by the way):

Sure, bright orange .mobi logos are obscure. :lol: Do you hear yourself? So what if it wasn't sold at an auction, who cares? It's a developed AND promoted site on a Premium Generic domain name owned by a major corporation, exactly what you claim is needed for the extension to thrive but you ignore the facts when presented to you.

Even suggesting that "dot Mobey" prices could go higher is libelous! :imho:
Goodnight. :zzz:
-Jeff

First you accuse me of subterfuge and now libel? Why? Because I have an opinion and a plan to spend my own money? Jeff, you need to refrain from the slander. You just continue to make yourself look worse. If you or anyone else is not into .mobi, then don't buy it.

 

[Jeff]

Facts!

Jeff, your question is meaningless so I don't answer it.

The FACT that there have been ZERO verified "dot Mobey" premium / generic domains "sold" at (thread topic -->) Traffic (or Sedo) to any corporate / End user(s) that are now promoting unique and compelling fully developed websites for exclusive use by those that are "on the go" ... is, or should be, EXTREMELY MEANINGFUL for all those seeking the truth about mTLD and its highly problematic extension, IMHO. :gl: :yell:

So what if it wasn't sold at an auction, who cares?

It wasn't RFP'd and it certainly wasn't auctioned at Traffic ... but you countered (not answered) my specific question above regarding the generic "dot Mobeys" sold at Traffic with "weather.mobi" (your post #115 here) and that is FACTUALLY INCORRECT!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. -John Adams (1770).

PS. Any more Traffic updates, Mr. Yandig?
See you tom'w.
-Jeff