Moniker TRAFFIC East Auction

[upbeat]

Anyone have any news on this auction which is underway?

 

[snoop]

Jeff has a habit of taking any opportunity to post (in unrelated threads) the same talking points he's been posting about .mobi for more than a year now. scandi doesnt do this, and neither do many other people.

its literally copy and paste at this point... you disagree?

The thing is both Scandiman and yourself have brought up this "unrelated threads" issue, but the thread we are in is clearly related to .mobi price falls? So is it possible the other threads are in the same category of being "not actually unrelated to .mobi"?

 

[mjnels]

The thing is both Scandiman and yourself have brought up this "unrelated threads" issue, but the thread we are in is clearly related to .mobi price falls? So is it possible the other threads are in the same category of being "not actually unrelated to .mobi"?

this is a thread for Traffic auction updates in general man... read the first page. Jeff is the first one to elaborate on dotmobi with his boring, recycled talking points. he took Rubber Ducks comment and ran with it.. like always, looking for a way in since he cant talk about .mobi in the actual .mobi forum, because he's on "voluntary leave" and is prohibited from posting in it.

debate is cool, but i like having conversations with humans.

 

[yandig]

Latest Update:

Watch Title Bids Type Bid Ends
vpr.com 1 $ 9,420.00 1 day
loseweight.info 1 $ 5,890.00 1 day
gamesupplies.com 1 $ 1,480.00 1 day
mensbodywash.com 1 $ 890.00 1 day
personalcreditreport.org 1 $ 590.00 1 day
healthproductsonline.com 1 $ 480.00 1 day
saskatoon.net 6 $ 218.00 1 day
ukmortgagequotes.com 1 $ 200.00 1 day
janeiro.com 2 $ 121.00 1 day
hollering.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day
epicure.net 1 $ 100.00 1 day

 

[scandiman]

You think situation with .mobi (price falls) is unrealated to a thread about the latest Traffic auction?

Sure, I'd be happy to discuss the prices of .mobi domains in the auction, and will get to that shortly. But this is the nonsense I first responded to:

Agreed.
Reviewing the handful ... and based on prior hype and unsubstantiated hysteria ... severely mediocre - to - lackluster "sales" of "dot Mobeys" to Usual Suspect™ domainers (versus actual End users) here at the recent Traffic, the future is not at all promising when you combine this market reality with the facts that mTLD has done nothing to enforce the mandated development requirements and has clearly abandoned the RFP process! Literally 1,000's of undeveloped .MOBI's are still languishing in the hands of m(oney)TLD, the extension's very DIFFICULT task to brand its awkward and unnatural four-lettered / two-syllabled nature, and complete - I mean, 100% - LACK of corporate adoption of its most generic (non ™) terms ... I'd say these prices continue to tumble significantly through September, 2008 and beyond IMHO.

This anti .mobi drivel™ is devoid of substance and is mostly spin and is a disservice to this forum.

Getting back to your question snoop, the underlying value proposition of .mobi remains unchanged. It's the only ICANN approved extension for mobile web content which services a big and growing user base. Auction prices up or down do nothing to change that. Also what seems to be forgotten is that while these mTLD Premium domains are sold in a domainer venue, they are as far as I know the only names present that comes with requirements to develop them, not the favorite past time of domainers. Without a doubt those requirements are a put off for many in the room. But regardless of all that, .mobi market values are down, no denying it. Why are they down? A variety of reasons in my mind but down nonetheless. For me it presents an extended buying opportunity. Again, the real value proposition of .mobi is the same, if other domainers don't see it now, that is fine with me. When they do see it, I'll probably be there to sell them some nice names for a nice profit. Next year or 5 years from now, who knows. So many variables effect the markets. But the mobile web user base keeps on growing, the consumer market is warming up to using the web in a phone, and early players in .mobi are seeing some nice developed site traffic and revenue with little or no promotion.

Latest Update:

Thanks yandig

 

[E-Thunder]

Latest Update:

Watch Title Bids Type Bid Ends
vpr.com 1 $ 9,420.00 1 day
loseweight.info 1 $ 5,890.00 1 day
gamesupplies.com 1 $ 1,480.00 1 day
mensbodywash.com 1 $ 890.00 1 day
personalcreditreport.org 1 $ 590.00 1 day
healthproductsonline.com 1 $ 480.00 1 day
saskatoon.net 6 $ 218.00 1 day
ukmortgagequotes.com 1 $ 200.00 1 day
janeiro.com 2 $ 121.00 1 day
hollering.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day
epicure.net 1 $ 100.00 1 day

Thanks! Looks like there are a few more bids.

 

[seanboy]

"dot Mobey"

It's "dotMobi" you douche.

The only difference between you and a troll is that you get a free pass.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Yeah, Jeff it giving it the benefit of whatever doubt there is left.

Most of the rest of us are just enjoying the wake. Vindicated after predicting Mobi bombing for about 2 years. Hopeful this will blow a big enough hole in the circus known as TRAFFICS to enable Domaining to establish itself as a bona-fide industry.

Seems like you're the only one with increasing concerns about .mobi and there is no satisfying your spin machine and I think Coast sees your sig and recognizes it.

It's been noted elsewhere that all prices are down, yet somehow for you this means the death throws of mobi. For me it means more buying opportunities. .mobi buyers at the live auction got some great deals.

How can it be unrelated. You sound just like those that think it is alright to bang on about dot Com all day long, but as soon as the possibility of it being registered in a different script, then it is heresy. This has always been my problem with Traffics is that it is not a free and open market place. It is a vehicle of manipulation.

The Death of dot Mobi was the biggest thing to come out of TRAFFICS. It could not have had a more friendly venue. Rick basically launched the extension single handed. And not even he could resussitate it.

It's no mystery that I'm enthusiastic about .mobi. But I don't go around injecting it in every other unrelated thread. I came here for auction updates and was greeted with more of the anti mobi diatribe. As before I paused to point out the anti .mobi Agenda™ and get an earful. It is not a topic I introduced here, merely something I am responding to. I honestly don't care if people love or hate .mobi, I just don't see a need to have .mobi injected in every other unrelated thread.

 

[coast]

Yeah, Jeff it giving it the benefit of whatever doubt there is left.

Most of the rest of us are just enjoying the wake. Vindicated after predicting Mobi bombing for about 2 years. Hopeful this will blow a big enough hole in the circus known as TRAFFICS to enable Domaining to establish itself as a bona-fide industry.



How can it be unrelated. You sound just like those that think it is alright to bang on about dot Com all day long, but as soon as the possibility of it being registered in a different script, then it is heresy. This has always been my problem with Traffics is that it is not a free and open market place. It is a vehicle of manipulation.

The Death of dot Mobi was the biggest thing to come out of TRAFFICS. It could not have had a more friendly venue. Rick basically launched the extension single handed. And not even he could resussitate it.

It seems to me that all but one of the .mobi names sold, meaning the sellers had realistic reserves on them. How you see that as dead is beyond me.

 

[snoop]

It seems to me that all but one of the .mobi names sold, meaning the sellers had realistic reserves on them. How you see that as dead is beyond me.

I think they were all registry names? Not sure what the actual reserves were but generally they have a "whatever they can get" attitude.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I think they were all registry names? Not sure what the actual reserves were but generally they have a "whatever they can get" attitude.

Very sensible strategy in my opinion. You should all consider doing the same!

It's "dotMobi" you douche.

The only difference between you and a troll is that you get a free pass.

The reason Jeff is tolerated is that he brings a crucial sense of balance to what would otherwise be a whole load of pump and dump hype.

Tolerated? No, greatly appreciated!

 

[snoop]

Very sensible strategy in my opinion. You should all consider doing the same!

The reason Jeff is tolerated is that he brings a crucial sense of balance to what would otherwise be a whole load of pump and dump hype.

Tolerated? No, greatly appreciated!

Pretty hard to do in practice, easy for the registry since it is employees making the decision and the registry paid nothing for the names.

The reason Jeff is tolerated is that he brings a crucial sense of balance to what would otherwise be a whole load of pump and dump hype.

Tolerated? No, greatly appreciated!

Agree with that Duck.

 

[scandiman]

The Death of dot Mobi was the biggest thing to come out of TRAFFICS. It could not have had a more friendly venue. Rick basically launched the extension single handed. And not even he could resussitate it.

You've obviously made up your mind, even a moderate decline in prices is the death of something to you. You're entitled to your views. I suggest you don't invest in it if you have no vision for it. For me, declining prices present a buying opportunity, you're welcome of course to buy when the prices are higher if that is your preference.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Pretty hard to do in practice, easy for the registry since it is employees making the decision and the registry paid nothing for the names.

Yes, but unless you live in Cloud Cuckoo land it ain't gong to get any easier.

Dot Mobi was fatally holed by the launch of the iPhone. It has just taken longer to sink than the Yorktown. Probably because so many assumed Rick could not be wrong. They will learn that Rick is actually wrong about a lot of stuff.

 

[scandiman]

Dot Mobi was fatally holed by the launch of the iPhone.

:lol: sure, the device that is helping to build the main user base for the extension is fatal to it. Got to love that reasoning.

 

[snoop]

You've obviously made up your mind, even a moderate decline in prices is the death of something to you.

The price declines seem to be something like 70-80% from what I can see of it, not exactly a "moderate decline".

 

[Steven]

:lol: sure, the device that is helping to build the main user base for the extension is fatal to it. Got to love that reasoning.

I think he is referring to the Iphone's capability in displaying full websites.

 

[Rubber Duck]

The price declines seem to be something like 70-80% from what I can see of it, not exactly a "moderate decline".

I would think 90+ is more realistic.

:lol: sure, the device that is helping to build the main user base for the extension is fatal to it. Got to love that reasoning.

Well, if you cannot understand the impact that being able to get a reasonably full browsing experience is going to have on dot Mobi, when its whole raison d'etre was based around the limited connectivity you would get out of a moblile device, then you are about the only one that can't.

 

[snoop]

I would think 90+ is more realistic.

Here is the results,

computers- 9.5k
airlines---- 9.5k
boats----- 6k
mortgage- 18k
men------ 10k
sales----- 10.5k
forsale--- 5k
drugs---- 17.5k
films----- 10k
show---- 5k
escort--- 10k
company- PASS
religion--- 3k
records--- 8.5k

Can you imagine men.mobi getting 100k+ at the time flowers.mobi got 200k or mortgage.mobi getting 180k+? I can't. These are very strong .mobi's but not the "absolute pinnacle" type of names that has come up for auction before. I think most of those 10-18k names would have been 40-80k names at the peak.

 

[-REECE-]

Seems about right to me.

I'd say the decline was more than moderate as well -- it was very noticeable to even people who don't invest in .mobi.

 

[mjnels]

oh my god, the iphone argument still....

i feel embarrassed for some of you that actually believe that because full web surfing is possible, nobody is interested in the concept of websites that actually fit onto a 3" screen and designed from the ground up with mobility in mind.

not just .mobi sites either, i mean all specially designed websites that are made-for-mobile whatever TLDs they use.


hey Duck: surfing the internet in english is possible, i guess that means the concept of IDN is dead since there is already 1 way to do it. niche markets do not exist... its all one big lie. 8^X

 

[Len]

Latest update for those who are interested.

Title Bids Bid Ends
553.com 1 $ 11,770.00 1 day
vpr.com 1 $ 9,420.00 1 day
loseweight.info 1 $ 5,890.00 1 day
gamesupplies.com 1 $ 1,480.00 1 day
antiquerepairs.com 1 $ 1,180.00 1 day
televisionrepair.com 3 $ 985.00 1 day
mensbodywash.com 1 $ 890.00 1 day
saskatoon.net 12 $ 853.00 1 day
unregistered.com 1 $ 590.00 1 day
personalcreditreport.org 1 $ 590.00 1 day
healthproductsonline.com 1 $ 480.00 1 day
janeiro.com 4 $ 440.00 1 day
ukmortgagequotes.com 1 $ 200.00 1 day
winners.us 3 $ 100.00 1 day
collectiblemotorcycles.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day
hollering.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day
epicure.net 1 $ 100.00 1 day

 

[jacal1]

Anyone else scimming through just to find the results?

This discussion seems like a mild hijack...the OP asked for "news" not commentary.

 

[Pound]

Latest update for those who are interested.

Title Bids Bid Ends
553.com 1 $ 11,770.00 1 day
vpr.com 1 $ 9,420.00 1 day
loseweight.info 1 $ 5,890.00 1 day
gamesupplies.com 1 $ 1,480.00 1 day
antiquerepairs.com 1 $ 1,180.00 1 day
televisionrepair.com 3 $ 985.00 1 day
mensbodywash.com 1 $ 890.00 1 day
saskatoon.net 12 $ 853.00 1 day
unregistered.com 1 $ 590.00 1 day
personalcreditreport.org 1 $ 590.00 1 day
healthproductsonline.com 1 $ 480.00 1 day
janeiro.com 4 $ 440.00 1 day
ukmortgagequotes.com 1 $ 200.00 1 day
winners.us 3 $ 100.00 1 day
collectiblemotorcycles.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day
hollering.com 1 $ 100.00 1 day
epicure.net 1 $ 100.00 1 day

Thanks Len, quoting for improved awareness thanks to the debate going on. Please, if you don't like .mobi, simply don't buy/sell them. Noone is forcing you to do anything and if you feel you have to fight for an extension/investment for its success then you may want to reassess the situation entirely. Back to TRAFFIC...

 

[gdell]

CollectibleMotorcycles.com and LoseWeight.info both look like steals

 

[scandiman]

The price declines seem to be something like 70-80% from what I can see of it, not exactly a "moderate decline".

70-80%??

Check your glasses and your calculator. How about some real sales numbers and domains for you to chew on:

Mortgages.mobi - $10,500 (2006) No dev requirements
Mortgages.mobi - $25,000 (2007 TRAFFIC) No dev requirements
Mortgage.mobi - $18,000 (2008) Dev Requirements

These numbers show about a 30% decline using this real world example and I suspect it would be less of a decline if there were no dev requirements and a better economy. Maybe even an increase if housing market was not in the toilet, especially for mortgage.mobi.

Can you show me your 70-80% decline comparing very similar domains like these?