warning Someone attempting to sell my domain on Dan without consent

[LoveCatchyDomains]

Has anyone recently had someone try to sell one of your domains on Dan?" A domain that you own and didn't authorize?
I had just posted my new purchase on NamePros Reg of the Day. I was having difficulty uploading the domain to my Dan account for unclear reasons.
When I put the domain name in the url, I saw that someone else has listed this without my consent and clearly without owning it.
Has anyone else on the forum had this experience, especially after posting a domain name here?
Hopefully the message sent just now to Dan will help resolve this promptly.

 

[Igor Mironyuk]

I'm not sure I understand your comment here. Could you clarify?

I had one word .CC but decided to sell on Dynadot with Dynadot landing page and deleted domain from DAN.

But later viewing DAN marketplace and checked my domain. And it was listed by price higher that I had when listed domain on DAN.

 

[tonyk2000]

I had one word .CC but decided to sell on Dynadot with Dynadot landing page and deleted domain from DAN.

But later viewing DAN marketplace and checked my domain. And it was listed by price higher that I had when listed domain on DAN.

So common. So familiar. All marketplaces are affected. Selling a domain somewhere but not on DAN? It will appear on DAN, earlier or later. Never-ending saga. And, this will continue until such a time DAN finally adds DNS ownership verification for _all_ added domains.

 

[tonyk2000]

Someone else making some money based off you? Who cares.

In some scenarios, nobody will make any $$$ because of fraudulent listings. For example:

1. You listed the domain on SedoMLS for $5K, but not on Afternic.

2. Fraudster listed your domain for $10K on Afternic (directly or via DAN).

3. Network Solutions, being a partner of both networks, elected to show more expensive listing (10K), as they received the same domain from both networks but with different prices.

4. Potential buyer performed an exact domain search on Netsol, received $10K BIN and decided that it is too expensive. He was willing to pay $5K maximum. So he purchased alternative domain.

5. You lost a sale.

 

[domainer8888]

I've experienced this about a month ago, 2 of my domains were listed by username: 域名卖家 and both of them never been registered before. He/she has a lot of domains listed on Dan.com but I can't remember how many. I believe the domains are not belong to this person, not sure what the motive is but what makes sense maybe this user wants to take advantage of the Parking fee if the domain is parked at Bodis and you activate on Dan lander.
I immediately reported to Dan about this. I don't know what Dan has done to this user. If the user is the same, it means that this user has not been banned by Dan.

域名卖家 means "domain seller"

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

it's definitely happening after I share my purchase on a certain Slack channel.

That's what really surprised me here. I never had this happen before. This was my first time posting a "registration of the day." Perhaps it's safer to have a domain parked and listed prior to mentioning it on NamePros.

 

[BRANDERX]

It doesn't stop there BTW. After sharing a certain purchase, NameSilo notified me that a login attempt was made from a certain IP, & I connected the dots so to speak..

So yeah, it's an industry with issues.

 

[biggie]

Hi

i'd suggest you check WB prior to creating such "subject titles" in the future.

Definitely was not a name drop or previous registration. This is the first registration of the domain.

The Wayback machine showed some intermittent presence over the past two decades, including as recently as 2021. So, what I thought was potentially a pristine domain, never before seen in the world, turns out to be more of a worn shoe, now trodding off down a new path.

it's part of "due diligence" to know your domains.

imo...

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

Issues for sure.
Can you give link for dude with 400k domains at dan please

The seller's name is in Chinese. I sent a PM with the name and domains associated with the account.
Hopefully, it's simply an oversight on their part.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

Hi

i'd suggest you check WB prior to creating such "subject titles" in the future.






it's part of "due diligence" to know your domains.

imo...

Note that I had reported myself to the moderators shortly after the posting and seeing the other potential explanations. I was concerned that maybe the implication of intentional bad behavior was premature or unwarranted. They politely just declined the reporting.
Nonetheless, when registering a new domain from a registrar, there is no reason to expect that the domain would, that day, be found posted for sale in someone else's account.
Clearly, there need to be better ongoing verification controls out there. Not simply checks for the owner's first time of listing.
I do appreciate the feedback, though. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[wot]

To check you have control of the name to Sedo for instance and simply change the nameservers.
However, Dan will usually simply remove the offending domain if you ask.

 

[Andi88]

Has anyone recently had someone try to sell one of your domains on Dan?" A domain that you own and didn't authorize?
I had just posted my new purchase on NamePros Reg of the Day. I was having difficulty uploading the domain to my Dan account for unclear reasons.
When I put the domain name in the url, I saw that someone else has listed this without my consent and clearly without owning it.
Has anyone else on the forum had this experience, especially after posting a domain name here?
Hopefully the message sent just now to Dan will help resolve this promptly.

I've experienced this about a month ago, 2 of my domains were listed by username: 域名卖家 and both of them never been registered before. He/she has a lot of domains listed on Dan.com but I can't remember how many. I believe the domains are not belong to this person, not sure what the motive is but what makes sense maybe this user wants to take advantage of the Parking fee if the domain is parked at Bodis and you activate on Dan lander.
I immediately reported to Dan about this. I don't know what Dan has done to this user. If the user is the same, it means that this user has not been banned by Dan.

 

[Andi88]

Not sure since the username have changed, unfortunately I didn't copy the URL of this seller but the username (域名卖家) saved in my conversation with Dan. If 域名卖家 is the same person of this account then yes we're talking about the same person.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

@Andi88 was it the guy with 460,000 names at dan right now?
https://dan.com/domain-seller/4d208...?&results=50&order_by=relevance&offset=468100

As of a few minutes ago, 473048! Wow. Now only listed as "Domain Seller."

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

Sedo does not have unregistered names at their marketplace. Maybe few, but when dns does not or stops resolving, they pick up on that in 3 days usually. In that regard, they are in class of their own

 

[sbweb]

Use their 3rd DNS feature. It proves ownership.

 

[cabotower]

just found 2 eth+ll .coms of mine listed on dan and support had them moved into my account within minutes of my ticket being sent.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

is called previous ownership.. and there are millions of em... welcome to reality

No, definitely the person posting this was not the previous owner. I have had the domain for quite a while, had it listed on DAN, but had delisted it due to the expiration date coming in October.
I changed my mind, and decided to relist it with DAN, but found that someone else had already put it up in the intermin. This was clued in by my resubmit not going through. That's when I found the listing in someone else's account. The domain had not been sold, transferred, or expired and was still in my Registrar account in good order.
What amazes me is that this individual did this, probably within days of my delisting it.
Is it possible that some unscrupulous folks are monitoring DAN listings for removals, and trying to relist them as their own to do a presale? Curious.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

I had one word .CC but decided to sell on Dynadot with Dynadot landing page and deleted domain from DAN.

But later viewing DAN marketplace and checked my domain. And it was listed by price higher that I had when listed domain on DAN.

Maybe DAN needs to make a new rule. For the perps that do this, require that they buy the domain from you or otherwise be permanently banned from DAN!

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

So common. So familiar. All marketplaces are affected. Selling a domain somewhere but not on DAN? It will appear on DAN, earlier or later. Never-ending saga. And, this will continue until such a time DAN finally adds DNS ownership verification for _all_ added domains.

Seems like this may be necessary. Is it likely that there are bots that routinely scan DAN for the drops, and then do the listing automatically under spurious accounts?
What was interesting in this case, compared to before, was the fact that the domain seller had a very small portfolio of domains listed. Before, the dubious account in question had over 450,000 domains. This one, I believe, had less then 10. Unfortunately, this could mean a change in strategy, though, where perhaps small accounts are now being set up to do the "dirty work?"
The unfortunate part of this is that DAN is so convenient and efficient for listing domains. It's sad that some folks try to take advantage of this.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

If you have a portfolio and had been on Dan previously, it may be worth rechecking to see if these sellers are also trying to sell your names. What appears bolder now is that there are a diversity of seller listings involved. Before, most of the fraudulent listings were under one large account that had over 400K domains. Also, now BIN is being used. Before, it seemed that primarily only "Make offer" was the tactic.

When I left Dan, and thought all was clear. Unfortunately, I found out yesterday that about 10% of my portfolio is being sold on Dan by fraudulent sellers. Thanks to a recent post on the Dan Thread section, I decided to recheck for any of my domains on Dan (where I no longer have listings, or so I thought). And, as stated before, most of the domains involved have been owned for many years. They are not drops or expiring registrations.

Virtually all of the domains affected in my portfolio are current listings under Afternic Fast Transfer. Could a fraudulent seller could make a sale on Dan, and pending processing, and immediately buy the domain on Afternic FT to claim immediate ownership in order to complete the sale? These fraudulent sellers appear to target domains with lower prices on Afternic, asking on Dan for a price sometimes 10X or more. So, there is potential for that type of scheme to work.

Some would say, well, what is the harm?
1) It undermines trust in a marketplace. So the marketplace can lose customers who are worried about which sellers are legit.
2) They are charging much, much higher prices in some instances. If someone was actually interested in buying your domain at a lower price, their BIN could dissuade them from further consideration of your domain name.
3) They are doing this using using GoDaddy's Dan platform, while the names are listed on GoDaddy's Afternic Fast Transfer. Does that look good for their GD brand?
4) By having this scheme, rather than simply requiring them to buy the domain to sell it, it clearly does not help the actual seller.

So, folks, you may want to check your portfolios to see if there are domains you thought you didn't have listed at DAN---especially if you are using Afternic Fast Transfer.

 

[karmaco]

As an update, I left Dan, and thought all was clear. Unfortunately, I found out yesterday that about 10% of my portfolio is being sold on Dan by fraudulent sellers. Thanks to a recent post by a user on the Dan Official Thread section, it alerted me to recheck my domains. And, as stated previously, most of the domains involved have been owned for many years, and not recent expirations or sales.

If you have a portfolio and had been on Dan previously, it may be worth rechecking to see if these sellers are also trying to sell your names. What appears bolder now is that there are a diversity of seller listings involved. Before, most of the fraudulent listings were under one large account that had over 400K domains. Also, now BIN is being used. Before, it seemed that primarily only "Make offer" was the tactic.

Finally, what really is disturbing here is that virtually all of the domains affected in my portfolio are also currently listed under Afternic Fast Transfer. So, is there a possibility here that the fraudulent seller could make a sale on Dan, and pending processing, and immediately buy the domain on Afternic FT to claim ownership in order to complete the sale? These fraudulent sellers appear to target domains with lower prices on Afternic, asking on Dan for a price sometimes 10X or more. So, there is potential for that type of scheme to work.

Some would say, well, what is the harm? The bottom line is that:
1) They don't own the domains, so it undermines trust in a marketplace. So the marketplace can lose customers who are worried about which sellers are legit.
2) They are charging much, much higher prices in some instances. If someone was actually interested in buying your domain at a lower price, their BIN could dissuade them from further consideration of the name.
3) They are doing this using using GoDaddy's Dan platform, while the names are listed on GoDaddy's Afternic Fast Transfer. Does that look good for their brand?
4) By having this scheme, rather than simply requiring them to buy the domain to sell it, it clearly does not help the actual seller.

So, folks, you may want to check your portfolios to see if there are domains you thought you didn't have listed at DAN---especially if you are using Afternic Fast Transfer.

The exact same thing happens all the time at Afternic. I have had to contact them numerous times for fraudulent listings of my names many owned for years.The only way to stop it until GD decides to actually punish offenders with permanent bans or an equally severe response is to have names on both sites with bin on one.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

Were talking about dan not afternic.
They have been aware of this since my first ticket 17 months ago.
Someone is taking advantage of them, their so nice. Oh, previous lister forgot to remove. Let us rectify that one moment please. And no disclaimer confirming you own the name or have authority to sell it when listing.
TheBlueVirus.com has been added twice by same group i got spanked for these type links before
https://dan.com/ buy-domain/thebluevirus.com
Link broken there try and use link feauture here on mobile to break it but doesnt work.
This name has not recently been renewed, as stated in other thread, go see gwhois.org to confirm.
This is an elaborate scam going on at dan. Maybe afternic, sedo and elsewhere but dan is only in control dan.com listings.
When TheBlueVirus.com expired, i removed it, as we should. Why did they not list it at afternic/sedo? They know better.
OP i suggest listing your names there make offer as others do for protection against this happening

The exact same thing happens all the time at Afternic. I have had to contact them numerous times for fraudulent listings of my names many owned for years.The only way to stop it until GD decides to actually punish offenders with permanent bans or an equally severe response is to have names on both sites with bin on one.

 

[lock]

I thought i would watch a few days first it is the brokers, and you don't have to accept. I wouldn't advertise other's domains without consent. But they ask later. If you have an offer make a decision but they will never give you opportunity to take over negotiation no matter unless you bring own inquiry. There may be more money involved.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

It still happening. Fastest solution - switch your domain name servers to Dan, and will be verified in minutes. Later switch back to previous name servers if necessary.

Probably, the only solution to this problem is listing all your domains at Dan. Even if don't want to sell.

No, I firmly decided a year ago to remove myself pemanently from the Dan.com marketplace. That decision came after I also had noted, on spot checking, that approximately 60% of the domains listed were not even registered. And we're not talking registry premium domains. qSadly, on several recent spot checks, sellers still were allowing postings of completely unregistered domains.

Hopefully, a block has been placed on my domains, per my request, preventing future relisting attempts without verification.

It's not fair trade when an internet marketplace is allowing anyone to list somebody's property without their knowledge or consent. And that the only recourse would be to either keep asking for the listings to be removed each time it happens OR to list with them.

To me, a marketpllace that cannot get a handle on unauthorized listings crosses a line in terms of business ethics. And I do firmly believe that a domain seller has the right to choose to not use a marketpace for whatever reason.

Finally, the good news is that the unauthorized listings appear to have disappeared at Afternic. So since they have implemented mandatory verification upfront, at least that marketplace appears to have the problem under control.

 

[LoveCatchyDomains]

Thats the reason many of us don’t share things like that. We are competitors and there are always domainers lurking with low to no ethics. Sad but its a fact

Well, the good news is that there is a possibility that the domain was a residual listing. The Wayback machine showed some intermittent presence over the past two decades, including as recently as 2021. So, what I thought was potentially a pristine domain, never before seen in the world, turns out to be more of a worn shoe, now trodding off down a new path.

At least with DAN they have the verification code where you can fix it on your own by adding the code to your domains or DAN staff will help.

Yes, I'm trying to fix that at this point. I am having some technical difficulty using Namecheap's interface.
It's a reminder that the verification code is not just useful, it also may be protective if you have many, many domains and forget to remove them when dropped. Hopefully, that is what the problem turns out to be here.